Ive just been wondering this for awhile now. cause usually in my routines i dont use them and have a hard time number closing... Is this the reason why?

FTC's mean that you aren't the creepy guy they can't get rid of. You say that you're going soon so they aren't waiting for you to leave or trying to figure out a way of getting rid of you. If they aren't thinking of this its easier to hook properly and go into building attraction and then properly building enough comfort for a solid number close.

So yes, I'd say they're important. Peace.

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I highly doubt that is the reason you are failing. For the most part they arent that important, they are only there to help the set trust you. What kind of routines are you using?

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well it depends on where I meet them, usually me and my friend try sarging in starbucks cause that the best places to find the 8-10 other than a club. When i see a target in starbucks i usually open up with a "hey to you know where <insert random location> is then ask if they enjoy being there then move on to the DHV's. But when it comes to number closing thats when i either choke or they tell me to give me MY number instead(and you know how that usually ends up)

Sounds to me your not gettin numbers because you don't have a strong opener. I am not trying to sound like a dick by so don't take it that way. Send me private message if you want I some great day game ftuff for Cofee houses and bookstores

There are a few things that makes a good opener. A false time constraint is one of them and another is relevance to why you are talking to them.
The reason why an opener needs this is because when you open a set the first thing that they start thinking is - what does this guy want and how long is he going to stay here? - Hence the time constraint and the relevance to why you are asking/talking. The best way to deliver these is without a doubt, together.
Me and my friends are having a debate and we need you to settle it for us. (OPENER----------------------------------------------------). (The time constraint should be delivered when you actually enter the set and merge in) Well i gotta get back to my friends in a second so you cant steal me for to long but (FINISH OPENER-------).
Remember that the time constraint is a vital part of getting the social hook. In a way its value reversal. People want what they cant have right? Another great thing about the time constraint is that the girls actually want to hold on to you. Keep you there.

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Then say ull only give her your number if she gives you hers. Then call the number she gives you while your in front of her. If her phone dosnt ring you have a choice to make, either call her on it or just leave the set. If your having so much trouble closing I suggest you revamp your DHVs so you build more attraction.

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time constraints are a valuable tool for anyone no matter if ur a freaking celebrity

but its all relitive

how much fun is she having doing her own thing

how cool does she think she is (or compared to u)

how are you coming off (if needy or overenergetic maybe time constraint is good)

its a form of push pull

just use it as a tool.

false time constraint is not a nessisary part of the actual opener in fact since u have virtually nothing as a foundation (other than her seeing ur body language and social proof) if u give a false time constraint some girls will think "o good he has to go soon i wont have to put up with him long"

if u have a good opener then later (even soon) the ftc then it might work better plus u might get a better opener

1) there are many reasons u might not get number closes, im not good at them myself so i try for meeting closers (which are better anyway and can result in a number easily or sex)

2) starbucks is filled with the girls who say things like

random

i know right

legit

creeper

awkward

the girls who think they are the shit and that guys are just always all over them. girls who think THEY get to decide what is awkward or pretend u are creepingthem out to build their own confidence or their social groups social proof (mostly in their own minds)

starbucks... maybe when its almost empty

or when its slow

but not when everybodys in their little group already

i do not try to sarge there but if i am there i will do w/e i feel like doing at the time.

i like catching girls literally off guard. when we can be natural, not prejudge each others intentions

i dont think you can put this down to the girl generally Eminem, if anyone is thinking this its you thats doing something wrong..

I feel like the FTR just initially helps you with the opener so that the girls give you the time of day. I've gotten a lot better lately and don't have the need to use them as much. If you've already gone into routines and they are into them, it isn't the lack of FTR where you messed up at.

Also sometimes if you fail you can use that as a backup. "Oh hey it was nice meeting you guys, I really need to get back to my boys over there."

well since most of you are saying that they're needed. You have any idea how i can use one in a "do you know where(insert random location) is, or one that hasnt been listed on these pick up sites. I find myself bad at sticking them in and rather just stay there till i manage to number close or her body language pretty much says "go away"

Use your opener.

(FTR) but... how do you guys know each other.

Simple