Hi guys, I need some help,
I really like openers that aren't opinion openers, but are questions. I think asking someones opinion on something is a bit lame. Its just too obvious. I like the "hey, did you see the fight outside" type of opener where you just go up all confident and act as if you know the people already. I've been trying to think about possible other ones tho as the fight one is rarely believable. I'm thinking along the lines of "did you see the underage kids trying to get in earlier...yapyap... I'm pretty sure one of them delivers newspapers to my house. laughlaugh." Or statement openers.
Any suggestions?

The only non-opinion opener I've created was:

PUA: Did you see the car accident outside?

HBs: No

PUA: Oh, well it was a while ago. This guy turned into the parking lot too quickly and spun into the curve really fast.

HBs: Oh my gosh, was he okay?

PUA: Yeah, just pissed. When I saw him he was kicking his tires.

Hope that helps.

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Sounds like you should do observational openers then rikard.

They are harder, and less preemptive...but they will give you exactly what you want. The reasons this is hard, is sometimes theres not much of interest around to use to open.

These kind of openers can range from noticing an article of clothing or an accessory the person has on...all the way to more abstract ones like asking if they saw a fight.

A good in between one that happens quite frequently is pointing out some guy who cant dance...then following with an opinion opener of "Is it better for a guy to make a fool of himself trying to dance or for him to not bother?". Works pretty well if you actually can dance and want to pull them onto the dance floor.

You could also use sports, funny events, etc that are pop cultural type things to start..."Hey do you guys know what the score in the xxxxx game is?" or "Did xxxxx team win last night?, i missed the game."

There are plenty of ways to open without doing opinion openers..even just walking up saying hi and then talking about something thats interesting can do it.

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dude indirect openers are the best thing since microwaveable penguins.

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V1V is right, you should try an almost rhetorical opinion opener, such as "man this DJ sucks ass doesn't he?". Just try different things and don't use scripted lines be aware of your surroundings and react to them.

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Try making open ended statements

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open endend statements..... any examples.....
Thanks lads, I like all of these ideas. All of that is really helpfull. wow, after only one day too. This is great. Maybe you could help me build on another one of my ideas. I want to be able to open, then if I get a negative reaction be able to win back the girl. I feel that it is easier for a girl to be attracted to you after she thinks you're a dickhead at first, than it is if she just thinks your an average guy. For example, I got a bad reaction from a girl once, after opening, and I could tell that she thought I was an arrogant nob straight away and she got a bit bitchey. But I was just thinking to meself, this sitation rocks, if only I had some cool psychological gambit to follow this up with to show her that yes I am arrogant, but also interesting, clever, insightful, and able to poke fun at my own arrogant nature, i'd be quids in. Sounds hard but I reackon this would be like a fucking awsome thing. Look, this would even open the door for using intentional negative openers which would be so fucking great. I'm thinking about something along the lines of-

me - negative opener
girl - looks at me like a wanker/ bitchey comment
me - wow, why so defensive?
girl - (dirty look)
me - Are you interested in psychology
girl - what?
me - Have you ever heard of dopamine?
girl - no
me - that's the chemical in the brain that triggers defensive aggresive behaviour in mammals. That's what's just been released by your brain right now. You're displaying instinctive animal behaviour. I've read about this.

(now at this point I want to get the girl to have been disarmed a little, or at least be still giving me open body language so I can continue)

me - it's funny, because I can explain the process.
You've taken my comment the wrong way and have immediately judged me as an enemy, therefore your acting defensive (this line is very ropey, it would have to be delivered expertly!!)
girl - yeah well blablabla
me - you should be less cynical. Let me show you something. You know the way people make first impressions really easily.
girl - yeah
me - well, people's first impressions are normaly wrong. Let me show you. what do you think that girl's (girl#2) favorite colour is (point to a random hot girl close by)
girl - red
me - yeah she looks like a red girl, but that's just a first impression
me - (go up to girl#2, put on a big arrogant smile and say "I need a big favor, can you tell me what your favorite color is" - her "green" then say "can you tell these guys over there, and prove a big point for me about first impressions....

(if all that works and you get to show girl#1 that her impression of girl#2 was wrong then you would just say to girl#1 something like "so, I guess you shouldn't rely on first impressions after all" or something arrogant (reverting back to a cocky funny arrogant delivery that you had at the start)

Guys, I know this scetch is contrived and over elaborate but do you see the type of thing that I'm getting at. I think human psycology is such a good topic to start on early because its the kind of thing that you could talk about for ages, and look really interesting if you come up with good stuff. eg. you could go of on other paths from here like making observations about peoples body language around you, or how there is an invisable social barrier when in large groups of people like in a pub or nightclub etc. Look, I know some of you will think that this is all too much. Look I know that simple works best. but I also think that something
more complicated like this could work so well too. So the help that I need is, either a completely different and even better routine, based on the same psychobabble type gimmickery ( ) or a regiging of my routine or little details I could add/ take out to make it work better, a good ending/ stuff i could follow on with. Or, to take it back to the origional problem, a way of disarming a girl and getting her straight back on your side after having at first offended her or having got a negative reaction. Please guys, help me constuct this into a devious masterpiece.

riikard, i only read like the first 3rd of your post, and heres why...

The statements your making are intellectual...and unfortunatly most poeple are either not capable at all of that type of thot, or they are drunk and not able at that moment.

There is a time and a place to show girls the deeper intellegent side...the first few mins is not that time.

What you need to do is directly challenge a girl back or defuse her negative reaction based on what exactly she does...

If she is sutble about it make light of it or fun..."What was that face for...omg dont tell me maybe i dont want to know."

If she says something negative, well you can make light of it "Wow someones cranky, tell me your not one of those types that comes out to a bar not to meet new people."

Essentially when they react negatively they want to put you on the defensive, flip this on them...get them to justify their actions to you. Or otherwise ignore it and plow on.

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You are completely missing the point of an opinion opener. The reason we use opinion openers is because we can flirtatiously argue with w/e they're response is. Plus it allows you to use a time constraint. Coming in as if you know them already destroys that possibility. You're not going to come and be like "I gotta run back to my friends, but did you see those girls fighting outside?". All you will eventually achieve by doing that is leaving them with the false knowledge that there was a fight outside. By encouraging debate, you get them to keep you in the set.

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as lame and obvious as oppinion openers are. i've never not opened a group with one. i think to myself as i approach, this opener is sooo gay, why would she even talk to me but yet then the next thought i have is. well its always worked before, why wouldn't it now.
maybe you should just try them out. see some responses and then realize how good they are