how bout,

look i just met you but for some reason i just cant stand you, your hot but for some reason i really dont like you,

some concept of -acceptance and then sorry no

how about this one...?

PUA : taking an ice from inside his glass, walk towards the objective, look in her eyes, throw the ice to the floor and said:

_ Now that ice is broken, whats your name?

I don't know but in my country "to break the ice" is like disrupt the space in between two people that don't know each other...

Girls will have heard that one allot, a similar one is "Excuse me but how heavy is a polar bear?" she says i dunno, you say "enough to break the ice" but as far as I know in the UK (where i'm from) these fall into the "Cheesy Trying Too Hard To Be Funny Chat Up Line" categorie.

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I've never used this one, but I plan on trying it out today. Maybe you guys can save me before I make a fool out of myself

I'm only 18 so this is tailored to people around my age. A lot of older women might not get the reference. I'll open by saying "Hey, remember when you were little, what were your favorite lunchables?"

Good or bad? I can just see them saying "What the hell are lunchables?" If this happens I guess I will live and learn.

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Anyway, I've been thinking about using this as well. Walk up to them (as opposed to yelling at them across the room..haha) and ask "Have you ever been excited about something, but when you finally got it, you were disappointed?

There is no such thing as a perfect opener. You need to develope diffrent ones that are natural not cookie cutter openers.

I dont know what it's like in the states but in the UK people are a bit wary of random people talking to them so for things like this you'd definitely need to make sure you had a good reason why you were asking. That's not to say they wont talk to you but in 90% of cases the first thing they'll say is "why are you asking me this?!" so have a good reason why you're approaching a stranger and asking them what their favourite lunchable is!

I hear what you are saying man, but I think everyone here has at somepoint had an experience like that. For instance after they ask you why I'd go into this (just like to note that this is true for me so you'd have to do your own one)
"Well you see here's the thing I play guitar (DHV spike numero uno) and a while ago I was getting a new amplifier, it was really loud and I couldn't wait to get it because I'd been told by one of my band mates (also in a band, another DHV) that it was amazing. So I saved up my money, bought it, took it home and well, it sounded like a tin of bees being rattled around near some cats being strangled. So I sold it and got a different amp, it is quieter but sounds better to me, though my band mates keep saying I shouldn't have gotten rid of the other one because it was really loud, big and looked better on stage. So do you think I was right to get rid of it and go for what I wanted or should I have kept it just for the cool look?"

Ok that story wasn't exactly a perfect example, I made it quite long and it coulda ended better but you get the kinda thing I mean.
Any opener I think of using I always make sure to have some kind of general back story as to why it is I'm asking with possibly another question at the end to keep things going.

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See your point. For the record I personally would never ask a woman her opinion on me or my actions because the fact is that truly alpha guys just dont give a f*ck.

I do use opinion openers cos I think they're a great tool but I never use them in an approval seeking kind of way. Only ever in a "settle a bet" or "out of curiosity" kind of way. hope that makes sense!

Good point also about the alpha thing. Like I said though that wasn't a concrete example, just an idea then fine tune it. I think the best way is when you have a genuine need, like they would be adding value to you by helping you out with this. Like an opener I read the other day about whats better in a song, good lyrics or a good melody. For me being in a band this opener is freaking gold because i can say some shit about how me and the others guys in it were arguing about this and we want some unbiased opinions so we can improve our songs. Stuff like that.

Oh and incase you couldn't tell, I plan to milk being in a band as much as possible with opening lol always getting a flowing convo going.

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Just to keep this post as simple as possible, can we get only field-tested openers. You may have great ideas, but what we consider funny isn't necessarily what they think is funny. We've all had openers we thought we're great but failed off of impact. So yeah, in order for it to be perfect, it should be field tested. And I do agree their is no perfect opener, so just list openers that have worked for you like money.

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I got some great reactions in a bar recently walking up and saying "How's it going? I'm walking around picking up chicks. What's your name?", gotta smile and say it jokingly. They mostly just laugh. Problem was, I originally did it just for fun thinking it wouldn't work, then when I realised it actually had potential I was using it in a hopeful kinda manner that turned them straight off. Gotta work on that.

The opener doesn't matter at all... I've opened sets by asking for hugs, kisses, making girls do spins so I could look at their hair, whatever dumb shit I come up with at the moment. I opened my favorite LTR by telling her that there was a creepy girl following me around and that she should pretend to be my girlfriend so the creepy girl would leave me alone.

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Does that work? Where i live it has happened several times that girls
have come up and thrown that on me. Like there's this creepy guy following me ... But i never thought it would work the other way. Gotta try it.

Man that shit is butter. You should read about the science of seduction...and if there's no book on the topic I'll get right on it.

First of all you use compliance escalation and commtment and consistency when you use a request opener. It's just like NLP. You say something like

"Hey, check it out miss lady (my personal slang, for some reason it trips women out when you call them ladies and it always leads to another awesome gambit)
Would you do me a favor? (she says yes good old commitment and consistency should make the rest of the night smooth, and she's pretty much obliged to say yes according to the laws of general civility and social structure)

there's this creepy chick following me around the club trying to get me to buy her a drink (address the whole set but aim it towards the target, a little body language should make it easy)

She's right over there (The first time I used this there actually was a chick chasing me down for a drink. She couldn't think of three reasons why she deserved one...so she wasn't about to get one from me. If you can't find a creepy girl to follow you a good pivot could help with this part)

She keeps following me and it's tripping me out (Social proof, there's a woman that you are running AWAY from. Also try to duck behind the set as the stalker scans the area.)

(At this point one of the members of the set should be asking what do you want us/me to do. If your body language pointed the question right the target should be the one asking)

Pretend to be my girlfriend and tell her to leave me alone (At this point the obstacle will most likely ask her friend wtf she's thinking doing this. Usually the target says "Come on, it sounds like fun)

At this point put your arm around her or let her grab your arm and parade her around a bit until you approach the stalker. She's now running a program in her head basically NLP'ing herself into saying that she is in fact your girlfriend. Not only that but she's also going through the motions of actually FEELING what it's like to be your girlfriend.

And of course when she does approach the stalker female even more NLP to herself when she explains to the stalker that YOU ARE HER BOYFRIEND and the stalker should leave you alone.

As an end bonus I myself like to immediately break it off interrupting her dream trance NLP state abruptly by saying Thank You you're awesome giving her a kiss on the cheek or the hand maybe a wink and whispering that I hope to see her later. 9 times out of 10 she will want that dreamstate back and pretty much stalk you for the rest of the night. because everytime she she's you especially with another girl she's going to feel that twinge of jealousy that she lost a boyfriend that she never really had. Law of persuasion people value what they've had and lost more than anything else.

This opener is also good for that creepy possibly gay guy that thinks youre awesome and keeps shaking your hand and buying you drinks (or does that only happen to me?). The three times I've used this opener is with the three LTR's that I'm still with at this very moment, and have been for about a year now.

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