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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

It is NOT a point where you get stuck with ONE SPECIFIC GIRL.

A Sticking Point is:
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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
A Sticking Point is NOT:
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
IT IS AGAINST THIS BOARD'S RULES TO POST THREADS ABOUT JUST ONE GIRL
If you have not already gone out and practiced enough to have a real Sticking Point from meeting an ABUNDANCE of women, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO POST HERE.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:51 am 
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V1V, in the example where you said talk about your family etc how do you start a conversation about that in a non-interragating way? I appreiciate your lengthy reply but I still do not fully understand what you mean. How do you go about conveying yourself as a interesting guy? How would I bring up work and talk about it with feeling?

When I said what country I was meant to say 'so where abouts are you from' which I found to be quite good because they usually talk about how they grew up, how they miss their country (if overseas) etc.
How to start a conversation in a non interrograting way? If its before qualification then talk about YOUR expirience in the subject. this could end in a way which she is going to ask a question - or a way where you ask the question. How would you convey yourself in an interesting way? talk about it with EMPHASIS. and FEELING. if your emphasising something and talking about it with passion - she too will feel it. Well - what do you do for work???
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Juggler is the man for you to check out. His ideas on conversation are great I love them. He's got some nice videos and audio on his charisma arts homepage which should help you out.

Happy hunting!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:27 pm 
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Juggler is the man for you to check out. His ideas on conversation are great I love them. He's got some nice videos and audio on his charisma arts homepage which should help you out.

Happy hunting!!!
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yeah juggler has got some pretty awesome methods in this area. his book - whats it called again? conversation jujitsu right? ive heard its pretti good lol
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:27 am 
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Thanks every for replies, especially V1V.

V1V would you say your a PUA? Cause you sure know your stuff :D

I think I will look for juggler's book and read that before posting anymore incase the book answers many questions that I would otherwise bother everyone here with

V1V Im currently doing a trade but planning on studying next year so thats not exactly worthwhile IMO. I can befriend girls quite easily and can grab contact details, just this sticking point is holding me back. I turn 19 in 3 days and Ive never even kissed a girl even though at times Im surronded by them.


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Thanks every for replies, especially V1V.

V1V would you say your a PUA? Cause you sure know your stuff :D

I think I will look for juggler's book and read that before posting anymore incase the book answers many questions that I would otherwise bother everyone here with

V1V Im currently doing a trade but planning on studying next year so thats not exactly worthwhile IMO. I can befriend girls quite easily and can grab contact details, just this sticking point is holding me back. I turn 19 in 3 days and Ive never even kissed a girl even though at times Im surronded by them.
course im a pua lol. its tattood on my body and im 16 lmao. problm is - neil strauss is bringin out a film on the game - its gonna make or break me when everyone knows what pua stands for. ill have to get a v for venusian put in front of it or something lol.
anyways mate - obviously there is loadsa more experienced guys than me on the site - but if you ever wanna call me with some questions your more than welcome.
V1V :twisted:


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V1V that is so kool having PUA tattoed on you ^^ I got a few tattoos myself but OMG if style makes a movie then wont the Pick up scene die? Its already bad enough that so many girls have read the game but the movie would just kill it.

Why make a movie though his book is already such a success

V1V you wouldnt happen to live in Australia would you?


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V1V that is so kool having PUA tattoed on you ^^ I got a few tattoos myself but OMG if style makes a movie then wont the Pick up scene die? Its already bad enough that so many girls have read the game but the movie would just kill it.

Why make a movie though his book is already such a success

V1V you wouldnt happen to live in Australia would you?
sorry friend im in london. and this is a big debate. would people see it as just another hitch (who apparently was based on matador) and just think i wish i was as cool as him? or would people google pua to find out whether it was real or not? girls would know routines, openers, cold readings - they would learn just as much off style as we do! - just from the film! however pickup will always exist, just in different forms. a true pickup asrtist doesnt need routines, pre meditated dhv stories & negs. a strong frame, nlp, negs and dhv will always exsist in everyday conversation - a lot of it comes down to how quick you are with improvisation. the truth is that nothing good will come from the film. it would be better if mystery released a film. style is a mix of all the major mpua's. ross jefferies, juggler, mystery, david deangelo - all of their methods will be used and mentioned. its your ability to express urself and adapt which will determine how effective your PU will be. afterall, all pickup is when it comes down to it is skills to overcome barriers right? is a film/documentary on PU not just another barrier to overcome??
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I would say this is a strength of my game; a fast thinking mind which takes in all the information - not just in the conversation, but all around me.

I find situational speaking the best way forward; infact, if you master it, it is a big DHV if done right.

What is infront of you that you could talk about it. A girls tatoo? Where'd she get it done? You want one.

Theres a list of dodgy cocktails being sold...has she had any? Recommendations? It sounds horrible!

Why the hell is the floor so sticky in here :S?! Its worrying!!

Her friend is ill. "Babysitting?" :P

Think like a child. A child notices everything and talks about it in an enthusiastic, inquisitive way. It really does work, as long as you talk about it confidently and with enthusiasm...not afc speech.

Although, try not to do this after too many drinks. (I accidently said to someone, 'Nice necklace man!! Where'd you get that?!'...and it turned out to be a butch female. LOL.) Don't drink and game; 2 drinks maximum.

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Using situational openers?
Throwing yourself in?
Able to flow conversationally from every good or bad comment they make?
That's the way its done.
The only game is natural game.


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yeah, this is less about game, but more about interactions with people.

If you want people to be interested in you (not necessarily women in a sexual way, but people in general), you must be genuinely interested in them. Smile, and talk in terms of their interests. In a regular conversation (where you are not trying to show your game, but simply interacting with people), you want to make them do a majority of the talking, yet still control the conversation. This is done with simple questions about them, and what interests them. People like other people who are interested in them (but not clingy to them, or needy). The best example of this is a dog, mans best friend. How does your dog approach you, when it sees you? Smiling and wagging its tail, wondering where you've been all its life. You want to make other people feel important, without diminishing you're importance, and this is through the interest factor, without necessarily being needy. You can talk to anyone else, or choose not to talk to anyone if you want, but you want to talk to them because they interest you.

I've found that simply opening a conversation with "how are you?" works wonders. If they simply say "good" or something, ask what they've been up to lately, or something like that.


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Thanks everyone for the replies, made very good reading.

On the topic where turning a boring subject into a interesting open ended statement can anyone give some examples? Im still having trouble adapting this.

AFC

"So how is UNI going?"

"Yeah its good"

"Oh ok thats good..."


PUA?


Riot I like what you said about thinking like a child, makes good sense!


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Thanks everyone for the replies, made very good reading.

On the topic where turning a boring subject into a interesting open ended statement can anyone give some examples? Im still having trouble adapting this.

AFC

"So how is UNI going?"

"Yeah its good"

"Oh ok thats good..."


PUA?


Riot I like what you said about thinking like a child, makes good sense!
pua: i LOVE uni at the moment - my friends and the girls get on really well with me, and the subject im doing is SO interesting.

hb:what subject are you doing?

pua: psychology (w/e)

hb: thats really interesting!! (your in) oh thats an awful subject (woopz)

pua:(if she responds positively give her pinky love)(if she responds negatively) - honestly your such a bore.

PUA:what subjects are you doing? oh cool - are the lecturerers not sick of you yet?
get her to ask you questions first from your open ended emphasis - and then ask her. this isnt intrusive. when you talk with emphasis make sure you lay in the dhv.
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Ah V1V I think im beginning to understand, make statements that 'hooks' them that captures their attention and allows them to ask questions to find out more

Thanks V1V :)

Is there ways to break the ice to create a humourous and cheerful mood. Its hard when the person simply answers with one two word answers.

"Omg I had such a good weekend, how was yours?"

'Yer mine was good'

V1V my msn isnt working at the moment, but with the movie thing, those people that watch the movie and try to become PUA's overnight will then turn into the new AFC's wheras true PUA's will find new rountines, more effective openersl. Your totally right on the fact that the movie will create more barriers that PUA's will have to overcome.

Oh and I bet one beer than when the movie releases this forum will be busy as well


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I just realised Style wrote another book, The Rules of the Game, damn he went from AFC to PUA and in the process made millions


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