I'm not an ugly guy but gorgeous women sure have a way of making me feel like I am trying to play out of my league. I hear pua's say all the time that the stereotype that all hb9 and 10's are bitches is false but anything above an hb8 and they seem to have a bulletproof bitch shield! I've NEVER gotten above an 8 for this reason. Any tips on breaking down the BITCH SHIELD guys??? Thanks -opium

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

hey mate. why dont you try tell us how it usually goes.
how do you open, and at what points does this always happen to you?
its interesting you open with us, saying that u feel there shallowness towards you? it could just be a very small thing/things about perhaps your dress style or grooming? just a guess

tell us in alot of details and we'll help you out

You just have to employ the selective hearing theory. If they do not tell you to go away that means that you are still in the game. Run the grounding sequence of your opener and neg. Neg neg neg. That could help. Otherwise just focus on the cockblocks and run your material.

No it's not the way I dress and I'm well groomed; I take pride in my appearance. It doesn't matter how I start but I usually get short quick answers to questions or the girl acts preoccupied. I feel like an asshole. Here I am trying to talk to a girl and she is showing zero interest in me so she's dhv than me by being indifferent towards me. So to answer your ? it happens right at the beginning.

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

Its hard to give you an accurate advice since I cant see you. It can be anything from your body language to your tone of voice.

But ussually the way I overcome Bitch Shields is to turn them into bitch shields, I give no attention to them. If you act like you have women like that near you all the time, they wont feel you are "outta place" and wont act bitchy to put you back with your social status peers.

I also try to make myself different from every other guy, just having the balls to aproach 9s and 10s is all you need sometimes. Try to totally disregard her looks in the first couple minutes:

Red: "So on average, how many guys aproach you in a given night?"

Red "Just X?, oh my dear, seems like there are no real men out there, or maybe you act like a bitch with the poor dudes!!!"

If someone thinks that line wouldnt work cause I'm talking about her looks you are wrong. It works, even as an opener. And the reason why it works is because no one ever talks that way to women.

I agree with negging the girl. But not that much when it comes to the hotter more attractive girls.

I won't be so sure about that.

I also heard that HB10's can be far less difficult if you have a pivot. Like if you're already in set, and then open over the shoulder behind you to the HB9 or 10. Just a thought. You may be opening too direct, and they are obviously used to the attention so you get blown out fast because of that.

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yeah i have actually asked a hot girl how many guys hit on her a day and got blown out

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

Maybe I forgot to tell you guys I use that line on hired guns mostly.

It works for me....

Its not an easy line to use by any means. I have had girls become out right bitches to me when I had said such a line. I was thinking of trying this line out:

"I am doing an article for guys to help them to pick up girls better, and I was wondering if I can ask you a quick question" And when they say yes (I bet most girls will say yes to such a thing), ask them "How many guys hit on you on average?". Then just take it from there.

I can see that line working quite well on hired guns as am I sure they get hit on a lot during the day and are most probably annoyed by it.

First, I'd like to say I think that telling them you're writing an article is a GREAT IDEA! I definitely am going to try that approach and also the "how many guys have hit on you today" would absolutely seem to work better on hired guns like at HOOTER'S or some place like that. So yeah, on hired guns I think that may be the best approach because so often I've gone to a resaurant/bar and wanted to hit on a hired gun but couldn't because I didn't know what to say because I know guys hit on them all day. I'll have to try that one next time.

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

You can use the line opiumsunrise, but remeber that is the "Redmole's Bitch shield cracker line"

The line you said is in no way not going to work, its a great line and could be used as an opener too easily.

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