How the hell do you AMOG an AMOG who just wont shut the f up? Whenever you talk to a girl he's just all over it with his big mouth!

You should read the thread on Social Violation.

If he's being a rude asshole, a socially intelligent person (you and probably the rest of the group, including the female) will see that. That means, if you don't entertain his obnoxiousness, you are showing that you're of higher social value than him. The group will see that.
If you argue with him, it shows that you're offended or annoyed by him: he succeeded. He broke your composure. To torture the pseudo-corporate jargon: he AMOG'd you.

Think of any reason why the alpha male might be threatened by you, then prepare a comeback for it. Take in mind what you're wearing, your body language, jokes, etc. Find your weaknesses and fortify them.

Although, if you enter the group correctly(THROUGH the alpha male) you shouldn't have to worry about him being threatened by you. Make sure he's your friend BEFORE you move in on the woman.

Good luck, man.

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Whisper to the girl something about him. Or just wait it out for him to laugh himself out the set. Talking to much normally = not thinking = something stupid said.

Depending how well u and the girl are getting on i would just whisper to her "Unless you want to listen to this guy for the next few hours, how about we go somewhere more quite". U'll get isolation from that aswell.

NO, don't whisper to the girl about the AMOG. That shows you don't have the balls to say something potentially offensive for the whole group to hear.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. IGNORE the so-called "amog." Which Amogs? ALL OF THEM! Now, there are exceptions: when they directly confront you in a disrespectful manner. That's when you throw a subtle, insenuating neg at the AMOG. But when you get out there, I think you'll find that very rarely actually happens.

Avoid complimenting him (don't make the AMOG into your friend. That is terrible, terrible, terrible advice. You have to be selective about your friends. That in itself is a DHV).

Avoid actively dominating (by ignoring, you're not giving him any power, and are "naturally" dominating. You are unthreatened).

Otherwise, Amogs aren't worth your time. Being sucked into their bullshit makes it too easy for you to fail with a girl. Simply ignore, and you're in good standing.

99.99% of Pick-Up is choosing what to avoid doing. I've been most successful when I followed a "to avoid" list, and stuck with extremely simplistic rules of "do."

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It would work, and u shouldnt have to blare out everything you want to say to the whole group... take it u have never snuck off with a girl
If u really want to show u have balls, when she says yes, loudly say "LATERS" or something and walk off. If they ask where your going, tell them the AMOG will explain and if he cant come ask me later.

Sneaking off with a girl is one thing, it's another thing to sneak off because of a loud-mouthed AMOG. You're in effect creating a scenario similar to two teenagers slipping away from an unwanted father figure.

Sure, that can be fun. At a huge price to your Game. You're giving him power that way.

If you were in that area first, it's a mistake to evacuate that area because some dumbass comes by. Not Alpha behavior at all.

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I see what your saying, but i disagree.

Galactus shut the f*ck up please . Madals is giving wonderful advice right now and you are just arguing and over-analyzing things.

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everyone is intiteled to their point of view. He is correct as well, it just depends on how you played out the rest of the set. It is both alpha to stand your ground and out alpha him aswell as whisper sweet words to the HB he is trying to impress and go off and f-close her....
The most alpha person is happy to allow others to have the power for a while, since they know they can take it back whenever they want. In this situation leaving him with the group is giving him enough rope to hang himself, you come back later if u didnt already take the girl back to your palce.
Madals

Anyone knowing what great advice was in PU wouldn't react all emotionally like you did, Stetsun. If you have a problem with my points, address them specifically instead of making meaningless generalizations.

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I'm a new to this, but is you show that your a alpha male. You have got some IOI's, then you say that you want to tell a secret, but it's to many people around. So you take her away from the group (isolate), then do a routine or something. If she ask what the secret was, just tell her thet you wanted to talk to her alone. and tell her a dhv story. (sorry for my English, I'm from Norway) but I'm new to this, and all comments are welcome
but remember to have some IOI's:P

Ironic, a mini amog battle in a thread about amog battles.

And so far Madals is winning with the perfect handling; And right now I'm doing a wonderful job in over-analyzing the whole shit, so We'll all just leave that alone now ;P

Madals is right when he said they're both right.
If you're the alpha, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as it is something you're completely comfortable with. Just be cool about it, and do whatever the hell you want... (if what you want is to punch the guy's face I've got news; you're not the alpha male, you're the beta, trying to become alpha).

Just chill, you know you're the one she needs.
The one she already wonders sexually about. So don't fuck it up by trying to "handle the situation" and acting weird

There's never just one way to handle any situation.

And as mentioned earlier;

You either smoothly carry the obvious target away since she is dying/dripping to get to know you better, and since the group is now distracted with this new schmuck, or you ignore him, and let the girl chose who the attention goes to; you, the established High Value, mysterious guy who obviously knows how to handle himself and her, or the insecure new guy, who has not yet established value, and since you're the one running the game, won't be allowed to.

And I'd not shy away from the friendly approach.
If you're the obvious alpha in the set, you could probably get away with disarming the lad and sending him on his way, or even introducing him to the group
Just go, "I was wondering when you'd show up; hey guys, this here is....New guy.... He'll be filling in for me, while me and HB go and....somethingelse... New guy meet group, group; New guy.... now play nice, we'll be back in a few sec/sex."

If he's a loud, irritating fuck, look at the woman, she'll look at you, and you both silently eject. (Heard of the "help-me eyes", it's a female phenomena... If he's an annoying idiot, she'll make them, and you help her. If you haven't heard of them; look it up, or ask any girl you're with.)


Edit: Congruency is a key-word to being the Alpha male.

Wow you really can learn a lot from the forums lol.

So combining what Galactus, Medals, and Wolf said I should let the AMOG run his mouth and be obnoxious because I am the person that everyone wants to talk to and I'm confident that they know this (Galactus' approach), however I wait until the HB gives me the "help me eyes" (Wolf's approach) in order to use the AMOG's asshole-ness as an excuse to isolate the target (Madals' approach.)

A little bit from each.

Did I sum it up correctly?

how's about, you confidently do whatever the fuck you want (the most alpha behavior of all) and use these more as guidelines as opposed to rules? if you wanna run off, take that hot bitch off and fuck her good. if you wanna stay in control of the group, do that, it shouldn't be harder than it was before he came in. If you were truly in control, they looked to you as their leader before he came in, they are going to look to you as their leader after. your not talking about a amog here, your talking about a obnoxious follower.