Well man, you can discuss it if you want to and thats your choice. For me I start kissing her and spend a good few minutes kissing her before I start touching. I take my time and just keep escalating until she tells me "No." When she tells me that I STOP. Many times she won't resist and you can continue to your goal. If she does resist again the you have two moves left.

You can now perform a freeze out not giving her any attention. There are various ways to do this and they are discussed on the forum. Basically, you kill the mood flip on the TV and check your email or whatever. You don't talk about it you just change the mood. After a while she feels silly and it works out. Then I'll go back to kissing and stuff. Sure enough, I'm going to try to escalate one more time. This is known as plowing through LMR (Last Minute Resistence).

You can of course just try to plow through as well and see what happens. By plowing when you are making out and stuff. She says, "We shouldn't be doing this." or some variation you repeat what she says, "You're right we shouldn't be doing this." However you never stop escalating or kissing her. You just agree with her but keep it going. Think of it like pleasing her body but trying to appease her mind.

You are a man and you have a cock. It's up to you to lead the interactions with her and escalate. This is your responsibility and there is nothing wrong with that at all. She has to be accountable for her actions too so don't worry about just plowing through stuff and her comfort level. She'll stop you if she needs to.

**How much time to spend?** It really depends on personal choice and style. Here is what I do, I'm not saying it's right but it works for me. I do about 5 minutes of just lip locking good kissing. Then I move to touching and kissing in more erogenous zones like ears, neck, collarbone, lip biting, etc. From about another 5 minutes or so of this the touching is going on with it. I start taking clothes off at that point slowly taking my time. About when she's half naked I take her hand and just lead her to the bedroom. At the most I'll say, "Come on." When she goes with you she's mentally agreed to doing it.

PEACE

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y do u care? whats the advantage of 4th over 3rd? I mean, you still get the O, she still gets the O (or are u selfish ), you still bond, you still get the fulfilling relationship, so whats the big deal if she is hesitant?

I be careful of doing this. I know in some states if a girl says no and you continue its rape, even if her body language says otherwise.

i wouldnt ever ask or talk about it. your giving her the oppurtunity to think about it. while your makin out just say - we can kiss but im not letting you have sex with me. itll drive her wild. instead of freezing out when your about to have sex, freeze out half way through foreplay. and then when she pulls you back go the whole way. usually i just go down on her and put on the johnny. if your smooth she wont know about it. soon as im done i come up and enter. lol. sorry if its graphic.
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You aren't paying attention, and misquoted me. I said "I take my time and just keep escalating until she tells me "No." When she tells me that I STOP. "

We are saying the same thing basically. I agree if she says "No" that you need to stop. If you go any further yes that is considered rape in most states. However, my point is you have to assume she is going to until she tells you otherwise. Don't talk about it just "assume the sale" so to speak.

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