Alright so I am realy good at opening, and then throwing out a couple negs....but then it seems I donthave much to say or talk about after that....iduno if its because Im over thinking it? I need help relaxing and keeping the convo rolling....and help?

Stack! Stack! Stack! If you look at your hand there are five fingers and each finger can represent a potential thread for you to create. A cold read routine, palm read, DHV story, the cube, etc. These are crutches though and after extensive practice and approaches one can progress into a more natural game.

hi there,

how about instead of throwing a neg, and opinion openers you went direct...

and told her you liked her and introduced yourself...

and then you would just tell her about your day and give her some great positive feelings with your story telling...

and then letting her tell you what her day was like while relaxing your body language... and paying attention...

wouldn't that be more natural? if she says no, next next until you get the girl that likes you...

if you do it right, it will be much faster than indirect

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i disagree. indirect game is a lot simpler for beginners.

but yes, stack routines. it might sound lame to you but would you rather have something interesting to talk about or stand there awkwardly with nothing to say? make the routines congruent with your personality and you'll have no problem.

i say use whatever you feel comfortable with id try direct, opinion and neg openers and whatever works easiest go ahead and do you can take advice from us but say you take it well it just may not work....really its up to you and trying things out in the field

....but im gonna contradict myself and give you some examples
first personally i like opinion openers there easy to use walk up and say can i get an opinion or however you want to word it......and lie a bit if you must
ask a girl what does she think about breaking up threw a text message.....and then branch off from there whatever she says comment on it and go into a story or talk about how you saw someone driving down the road the other day talking on the cell phone and almost took you out cause they swirved onto the side walk......

or use the cube, palm reading.......

just really go out and see what works best for you....

.actually id rehearse a conversation in your mind of what you would say to a girl and maybe in doing so you can find out what ways would be easier to work from yoru opener into an actual conversation

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