In the last month I've been doing good with approaching girls, im coming close to eliminating my AA. I usually talk to a girl for a while, build some kino and attraction and get some IOI's and then easily get a number and sometimes end up with some kiss closing. The only catch to all this is that every single girl has either flaked on plans to get together, or not answered the phone call. Has anybody else experienced this type of frustration, im almost ready to entirely give up because it jut seems like im doing something entirely wrong and can't seem to figure out what.

im still a newb and ive only just got to the aproaching and attracting stage so I cant really comment.

But how aggressive are you when you get their no.? maybe if they offered you their no. you might get succesful?

I'd like to see a few replies on this 1 cos Ill be moving to this stage shortly!

Well, man, don't give up. Maybe you are just incredibly unlucky.

Still, it also depends upon your style of approaching. If your one and only goal is to get the number and have no real fun while you're at it, you might be successful just for the moment. See, girls usually allow their emotions to dictate them what to do. So, she's really attracted to you, then realizes that you were rather robotic.

When I happen to approach a girl in the street, in the park etc. (I usually prefer girls from my college or social circle), I just have fun. Because no girl is worth being stressed about when you don't even know her.

Anyway, you can try inviting the same girl out more times. Sometimes, they flake you because they are afraid you could see them as easy girls. Or, keep trying with different girls.

Also, try to get many feminine friends (friends, not girlfriends). You can have a lot of fun with them and it helps you understand how women think.

Have fun!

Funny you post that. I was at the club the other weekend, and was scared to approach a three set by myself. Later, I see 2 guys approach and end up dancing with two of the girls. Luckily, they left the one I was interested in.

So we're all paired up and I'm REALLY getting it on with this girl. She's a great dancer and we're vibing, feeling each other up, getting excited over the same songs, role playing, etc.

I look over and see one of the guys tonguing down one of the friends. The girl I'm with (the leader) sees this, grabs her hand, and all three go to the restroom. While we're waiting for them to come back, I high five the guy and give him props. I'm like, "how'd you do that?"

They come out of the restroom (after the leader gives them a pep talk i'm assuming) and make a bee line toward the exit, avoiding all of us. We all chase our respective girls. I end up number closing, but he didn't. I'm assuming that she didn't want to come off as too easy after already getting tongued down in the club.

That brings up a good question. Is there a such thing as going too far? Is it best to create an attraction and leave before it gets too escalated, or see how far you can go?

"Is there such thing as going too far?"

You bet there is. But it's not exactly like most people think. Going too far = doing something you didn't get her ready for. I mean, you meet a girl and, if you can create enough attraction, you can kiss her in 5 minutes. Still, if you don't create that attraction (plus comfort), she could get angry if you kiss her after 2 hours.

Anyway, I don't recommend trying to get very close to a girl you've just met when her friends are around. There is always at least one to start talking shit and screwing what you've accomplished (creating attraction and comfort).

Well before things get too drastic there osiris, let me congratulate you on getting to the next stage of pua, Phone game.

What's your manner like, are you nervous and ask nervous questions to fill in the gaps? What have your ideas on day 2's been? Have you committed the cardinal sin, of texting them, instead of growing the balls and calling them?

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I dont text them, i call them one or two days later and havent left messages, but as of late ive figured screw it and tried to see what happens when i leave messages ( still no call backs). Nervous gaps dont really happen im really good at building up conversation and creating multiple threads and end up with about 5 tangents in one convo so theres never a moment with an awkward silence. My typical day 2 has been "feel like grabbing a coffee at a starbucks with me, ill be there in "XXX" time" ive even tried to get a gril whos been previously attracted to me to go eat at as many roadside hot dog carts as possible ( i fugred it would be pretty funny).

Im starting to think that there really is such a thing as going too far with a girl too early especially in public. They must be feeling far too easy even though they flat out told me they were very attracted to me.

Lastly does anyone else try bar game primarily and have these same issues? Personally im thinking of saying screw it to the bar and just give up on those areas considering its done nothing but tear down the confidence ive built up; and instead start trying other places like Barnes and Noble. Does anyone have any ideas of places where they usually go and succeed?

Ahhhh stupid mother hen!
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