On my last few sarges, I've had a ton of fun working on this routine during comfort:

1. Ask for a back rub. You can use Mystery's k-close routine--if she says she wants to kiss you, you set it up with "okay, I'll give you a kiss, but you have to give me a back rub first".

2. Wait for her to get into it and enjoy.

3. Start a command train. Give her instructions like "a little lower. No, too low." Keep going with this until she starts getting annoyed.

4. GO CAVEMAN!

good luck with that

I don't think you quite understand female psycholgy. Why the hell would you want to infuriate her. What will that achieve?

Thanks for posting anyway
I would advise you develop the routine a bit further

Sounds like a good idea if a girl will give you a back rub you already know your pretty much in because she is willing to touch you in a sensual way. I would suggest push/pulling her at this time saying things like "wow you should do this for a living your amazing" or a neg "your hands a huge"

I have used this routine a few times before, but i've twisted it. Instead of just demanding for a backrub, fit it in with something else.

If she wants to watch a movie with you, reply with "You have to give me a back run first" if she goes ahead and gives you a massage it indiates thats she is really interested in you. You could also throw in a nother CF line like "wow you must really want to do X with me" etc.

but overall a decent routine in the right situation and with the right person

if she says she wants to kiss you and you say that she'll immediately not want to kiss you ever

lol if you ask for a back rub before the kiss, she will feel uncomfortable because it makes her feel like a slut. If she wants to kiss, kiss her, maybe tease her a bit, but kiss her CAVEMAN style. Hold her head from behind as you do it, enjoy the warmth of her lips...

Using a back rub as a precondition for a kiss makes the kiss less spontaneous, so it kills attraction right when she wants it. It is STUPID. And you WILL kick yourself for it later that night.

The back rub is a GREAT routine in rapport stage BEFORE the kiss (or sometimes AFTER, leading up to seduction). It depends on your setting, for example you don't want to ask for a back rub at a crowded shopping mall, whereas a kiss might be just fine.

Don't use it as a precondition for a kiss, but for bigger things like going out to such-and-such place, use it as a compliance test, reward her for doing it right (and not if she does it wrong). And don't make the test impossible for her, most girls like to give a back rub if you make them feel good about doing it.

~HotIce

What is a good line/routine to get a backrub out of her?

Just ask?

i lol'd at this. if she SAYS she wants to kiss you, then hells yes kiss her. why would you settle for a back rub instead?
you can get a back rub later, maybe after giving her a shoulder one ask to see if she can give as good as she gets

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Hum. Tried it today before I even read this.

Text: Ugh, I'm sore. Will you give me a shoulder massage?
her: If i was there
Me: Tomorrow?
Her: ok
Me: ok, thats a promise
Her: dont let me forget!

Worked like a charm.
Now I just have to work on getting into a good enviroment for that on campus...

blah lmao

ha GOOD stuff...i like when guys arent pussys and have a GOOD TIME fucking with girls

it works wonders for me

I could only see using this as a test. Basically you have no confidence and you will know she is interested if she gives you a back rub. If a girl actually started giving me a back rub id prolly just say she is doing it all wrong and kiss her right there.

back rub....let my genius mind think..
..........BINGO


ME:I had a really tough day....too much girl hitting on me....i need a pat on my back

HB:(giggle) ok

starts giving you a pat...then tell her a bit low ...down ...left...right

after that u will usually get a punch with a big smile on the hb face!

try it out and let me know!!!