im sure everyone has his own personal understanding of what DHV is??....and i need help
real fast i believe DHV, is displaying your an Alpha male/dominant guy some guys think DHV is if a girl shows interest in you then you must have at some point in time showed DHV......

i dont nessarily believe that is true, that if a girl shows interest then that means you have expressed DHV...for example.....
..your talking and she is interested in you, Does that mean you have expressed DHV, maybe she just likes you and no displays of showing your an alpha male was neeeded....

or magic tricks, you show one to a girl and she is interested in you in a certain degree does that mean you showed DHV (alpha male).....
how can a magic trick show your a REAL Man....(equal DHV)

i believe DHV(showing it) = display(s) of Alpha male...

meaning confident, do your own thing, wittty and a great aura to name a few....so if a girl shows interest does that mean you have showed your an Alpha Male I dont believe it does.

share your thoughts?????

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I don't pretend to be an expert but here it goes:

We are all programmed to look for things in other people, that will better OUR situation. In women, it is vital for the survival of their genes that they find an Alpha (good genes) that they can propagate with.

I think DHV has a lot to do with this very process. Being witty, funny, cocky shows that you don't take life too seriously so you aren't straining to survive like some desperate horny AFC.

A magic trick in and of itself, is not going to demonstrate DHV. But lets say that somehow you could use it to separate yourself from the rest of the crowd, then it potentially could demonstrate DHV BECAUSE it shows that you had the skill and wit to successfully introduce it in context.

Context is important, I hypothesize that a women would be much more attracted to a person who uses his Ninja skills to get out of a dangerous situation than somebody who uses their mad Ninja Skillz to needlessly beat innocent people up. Again it all has to do with DHV and these basic mechanisms that work in her brain.

Remember you are Alpha, you are Dominant, let no action of others or thought of yours convince you otherwise. High Value flows out from a mind which believes itself to be of high value.

"Don't believe everything you think."

Hope that helps.

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You seem to be of the impression that a DHV is a gimmick. A DHV can be any possible way of showing that you are a high value male, this can be anything from being interesting/fun enough to know a few magic tricks to simply having a high opinion of yourself.

DHVs can be more subtle than you would usually think, and it is because of this that they are easier than routines once you have a good understanding of the game.

i dont follow the game, a1 a2 a3 and whatever else there is i just go along and do my own thing...


i just view dhv as showing your an alpha male

you know confident, cocky and funny, good aura all those things....

i just was in a debate whether or not magic tricks can show dhv...and im more for they dont show it.......

but i guess anything is debatable people will be for me and people will be against me

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well, of course you have to be alpha, but also being an interesting person that people want to hang around is higher value(doing tricks and being alpha arent exclusive)
being alpha doesnt doesnt mean that you are a good friend that people love to be around and all that stuff

thats where this other tricks comes handy, its very much about feeling good on your own skin, having fun, being funny

but DHV can be telling interesting storys of your life, doing tricks...wathever... and obviously you don't need to quit being alpha to do it

if you wanna be the dominant everysecond you will lose focus on things just as important

but for a fact, I know there is this kinds of men, the more rude, takes himself more serious and extremely dominant, this kind of guys gets a lot of girls, but its just one of the possible personalities of men that are successfull with women

im saying dominant is being funny, confident in yoruself, not afriad to tease woman, comfortable with yourself, take control of the conversatin know what you want, and just have a attitude most love...

that to me is DHV and i see a magic trick as only showing a woman your interesitng perhaps, but that doesnt mean you showed her your an alpha...

you show me the facts on how it works, how magic tricks do illicit DHV within a woman and ill admit i am wrong


but i guess everyone has there opinions on what it is.....so no one is really wrong less you thnk DHV is some kind of store product lol

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is your whole perspective outta focus?, if not, i'd just skip it and move on

There are some general factors of DHV like confidence, humor and social value. But some girls see different things as DHV/DLV.

So it depends a lot on what kind of girl where talking about!

Well DHV is like stated, the action of showing higher quality/ or for some something that makes someone stand apart from the rest of the pack; from Alpha, to charming, maybe even cute. But it doesn't actually mean you HAVE some sort of higher quality about you (you can use it in order to create a shell like those guys who use up ALL their routines and lines in 15 minutes and left with a blank on their face)

So that being said magic tricks can be a form of DHV because being able to perform magic sets you apart from someone else who doesn't, its also really quick and simple way to elicit some quality about you--hobbies and what not. In any case magic tricks IMO is a cheap and fast DHV.

Basically DHV is just a way to show your best cards, and like in poker if all you have is crap and your best card from your crappy hand is a Jack (or magic trick in this case) so be it, anything can be DHV if your best trick is licking your nose o well. And plus they don't even know you before you introduce yourself so why not imprint the best parts in with DHVs

P.S. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying magic tricks crap magics' are really cool I'm just speaking in context of the situation

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You have a misunderstanding of the whole concept, which is why you are having trouble grasping it. In order to understand it, you need to stop clinging to your preconception of what DHV means, or you're never going to get it and this debate will go on forever.

DHV = Literally, Demonstrate Higher Value. Demonstrating higher value is not the same as demonstrating that you are an alpha male and confident or dominant, you need you get that notion out of your head, or this won't make sense to you. Sometimes by demonstrating you are an alpha male - such as by showing that you are a leader of men, a protector of loved ones, are willing to take risks, etc - you ARE displaying higher value, but often times when you are demonstrating higher value, you aren't displaying any alpha male characteristics, merely traits that make you a more interesting or valuable person than others.

For instance, if you were to perform a magic trick, you are demonstrating higher value by doing something that most people aren't able to do, which makes you rare and thus valuable. I'm a pretty decent juggler and when I juggle people are amazed and fall over themselves commenting on how cool it is; this is demonstrating higher value as well, especially when I allow them to try and they are unnable to do it; I can do something better than other people, this makes me special to them, but I am not displaying any alpha male characteristics.

There are MANY theories, techniques and concepts in the realm of pickup and seduction that overlap frequently, but just because from time to time these concepts overlap, does not mean they are necessarily the same. I attended a lair here in Toronto on Sunday night and encountered some "new" concepts that were basically just standard stuff rephrased by a guy to make it his own.

One of the "Emotional Needs" he feels women need to have fulfilled, is the feeling that you have "High Value Sperm"; this is merely his own way or saying that you need to demonstrate higher value and that you are an alpha male, but I personally feel he's taken too many concepts and tried to roll them into one idea. I've studied a bit of anthropology and from that point of view I identified "high value sperm" as meaning increased Reproductive Value, which is in actuality completely different from the value placed on a male as a provider. Yet for his definition he had rolled both concepts that in many schools of thought are often opposing, into one. Trying to do this sort of thing can sometimes work, as he has made a broader definition and included more into the term, it makes it a lot harder to define and fulfill, but it doesn't contradict itself.

On the other hand, what you're doing by saying demonstrating higher value is showing you are an alpha male, is excluding all the other forms of demonstrating higher value and actually narrowing your definition to the point where you are leaving a LOT out. I personally would rather not see the expansion or narrowing of definitions, as that makes them less concise and harder to properly grasp, yet the latter is by far the worse way to go, as you are now limiting your ability to fulfill that definition. Broaden your definition to be what it should be; Demonstrating Higher Value means exactly that, that you are showing others that your value is higher than those around you. Don't fall into the trap of allowing multiple concepts to mean the same thing; that's why we have multiple concepts in the first place, because they DON'T mean the same thing. Like synomyms, "rage" and "irritation" are listed as synomyms for each other, yet if you were to tell someone you were feeling irritated, it would mean a very different thing than if you told them you were feeling enraged.

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i can always count on you Lee to post where i have posted right lol......we seem to always butt heads, but i dont follow pua ways, so im not to worried about crasping the concept of the game...i find DHV to be something different (more alpha male in its concept and less on the whole magic trick concept of it) in my own terms, and i was just looking for someone elses opinion not the opinon of im never gonna get the game if i can grasp what it means

as always thanks for the wonderful insight, everyone is intitled to your opinion i dont know if we woudl get along good or if we would hate each other cause we be arguing about the game and what we believe so much.....be a good debate though....

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does DHV involve boasting, but not being seen to boast? i have a good education, have travelled loads, am a qualified lawyer. personally, i find those things about me really boring, well maybe not the travelling bit, but who cares if i am a lawyer? yet, maybe it gets the message across that i am a cut above the AFC. at the same time, i don't want to give out too much information about me too early; retain some mystery. what do people suggest? lawyer mid 20s, travelled all over; how do i turn that into DHV?

READ WHAT I SAY, STOP INFERING CRAP!

I said, you will never get the concept of DHVing if you won't adapt your definition of it. You're asking people to explain what DHVing is, yet every time someone does, you stubbornly refuse to accept what the actual definition is and instead just rephrase what you believe it to be. You're the proverbial brick wall and people are trying to talk to you. Allow me to give you an exagerated example to prove a point:

You: I think a pen is something you write with that uses graphite and that you can easily erase, is that right?
Us: No, that's a pencil. A pen uses ink and typically can't be erased.
You: I personally feel that a pen can be erased and is usually made out of wood, unless it's one of those fancy mechanical ones made out of plastic.
Us: NO, that's a PENCIL. Pens are made out of plastic and use ink of various colours. Unless it's special ink, it doesn't erase.
You: Well my definition for a pen is something that uses graphite to write, not ink, so I'm gonna stick with my definition....I'm right though, right?
Us: /facepalm

If you ask a question, then perhaps you should listen the what people say, rather than arguing that you have your own definition! It's really annoying and a waste of our time. If you want to call a bike a car and a spoon a fork, fine! Just don't waste our time by asking us whether you are right or not, cause you're not and you're trying to change the set in stone definition of what DHVing is just to suit your own perspective on it.



P.S. If you don't "follow PUA methods", then change your name, it's ludicrous.

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you know no one really ever gets so over worked when talking to me besides you, i was merely having a discussion and stating my points trying to get people to think outside there relm of thinking,

i never admitted i was right after viewing other peoples debates i have to admit they have very valid points on what DHV can be....your the one who assumes this and that why dont you question me within 3 or 4 sentences before you start throwing analogys out like im a brick to peoples comments....

so really if you have such a problem with it, dont reply, dont respond at all and just about your day.......

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Who says I'm worked up? Just because I have the ability to write at length in well thought out structure doesn't mean I'm worked up, although I can understand that some people get intimidated by that and assume it is meant in an antagonistic way.

As I pointed out very thoroughly, yet you seemed to completely miss, you AREN'T getting people to think outside the box, you are SHRINKING the box. Demonstrating Alpha male characterics is already included in the existing definition of what demonstrating higher value is, but by making that the only way of DHVing, you are reducing the definition and the concept, making it smaller and less useful. Why not just call what you're doing displaying alpha male traits, as that's the term already given to it. You're trying to re-invent the wheel and it confuses people that don't have as broad a knowledge base into thinking that you've come up with something new, when really you're watering it down, making it less effective.

I'm not assuming anything and other people haven't been giving their "opinions" they are giving you textbook definitions and they are right. You are uninformed and need to go hit the books.

If you really have no desire to learn and are just here to tell people what you think, then I won't bother trying to correct you anymore, I'll just make short posts informing everyone else that you are redefining something that was coined sometime over the last 20 years by someone of great standing within the community and then I'll walk away, because you refuse to give credit to what the pioneers did. If you are taking credit for concepts that you didn't invent, then I'll just lock your thread as that's called plagerism.

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