I was going to post on the other thread, until I saw how clouded people's thinking were and how fogged up my post was going to be.
There are guys out there who will tell you some girls won't go for guys of a different race.
WHO DO YOU THINK THOSE GUYS ARE?!!!
obviously AFCs, if you asked a guy like Matador, he'll tell you straight up the only times it affected him was when he took it into account.
Even Matador used to have a thick indian accent and looked quite foriegn, the only reason he changed it was people socially it's unattrative other than it meant nothing.
There are girls out there who THINK or SAY they won't go for a type of guy whose this that and the other.
Let me remind you what Mystery and many other gurus said: "What a woman says she wants and what she actually wants are two different things"
I've seen with my own guys girls who come from countries such as Russia or Lithuina, who have never seen a coloured person in person in their life and fall deeply in love with them (one of my exes is from Lithunia, I met her online and when she came over to meet me, after fully closing her she revealed to me that other than me, she's never even seen a coloured person in real life).
The girls who say they'd never go for a guy like this, this and this aren' lying, they just don't know. If they met a guy with solid game of course they'd go for her (you morons).
If a girl told you she liked a nice guy who bought her flowers and took her out to expensive dinners would you take her seriously?!(if you do, then you seriously need to review your game 'cause right now your'e an AFC)
For now on when you think someone is true, TEST IT OUT before you go posting false claims on the forums.
Sure in some of the southern states due to social conditioning a girl will SAY she'll never go out with a guy for x, y and z reasons but as soon as you take that girl out of that social context or just plain game her properly you'll get her. We've all heard of the stories where a hundred years ago a poor black slave hooked up with the wealthy man's wife or daughter. It's happened!
What you think that if you took guys like Mystery, Style and Major Mark and put them in coloured bodies their games would be different?!
The only reason so many of the Gurus are white is because they come from white countries like US, Canada and Australia.
A lot of today's Gurus come in all colours, Asian, Black, Indian etc.
With all that evidence in front of you are you just going to block it out?

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Agreed. race/height/money/looks dont matter at all when sarging. Only AFCs think they do.

But, let's reverse it. I'm asian and I NEVER sarge an asian chick. I just dont find them attractive or able to see myself with one.

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Look I am EXCATLY the same way when it comes to Asian girls, but that's just a preference, if an the right type of asian girl came over and hit the right triggers in you it would be a totally different story.
Remember Men are more visual, women are not.

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You guys seem not to consider the fact that some girl can consciously choose not to date someone of a different race or religion. Those matters are important so what's strange if somebody makes such a choice?
Certainly it's not like not dating someone for wearing wrong clothes or for not being a millionaire.

Btw, it could well be that naturally - ie excluding the influence of media, publicity etc - people tend to find mates of the same race more attractive. I read about a study on mating choices in Brazil, a country where traditionally there has been a lot of race mixing and little racism. Still, surprisingly enough, most people tend to mate those most closely similar on the racial scale (ie: dark skinned mulattoes with dark mulattoes, light mulattoes with light mulattoes etc).

I think the point being made is, like you said, those are concious choices poeple make do to sociological reasons; such as their family background, their social circle's acceptance, etcetera. But like we say here, attraction isn't a choice. And the biological evolutionary mechanisms in place shouldn't have any effect on human attraction. Thus, gaming in theory shouldn't be any different. In reality, you may have to deal with just a little higher bitch shield. Though once disarmed and accepted by her peers, being of a different race just amounts to a natural peacock.

Good point actually. I had often wondered the role of race in pickups.

Most Women and wussy faggy guys are all about "social placement". They need to belong and they need validation. This is why negging works. This is why social proof plays a big role in our game.

You take some Southern hick girls in their backyard in their local bars and they wouldn't be caught dead making out with _____ race. They risk being ridiculed by her community. You take those same hick girls and put em' in some hot clubs in NYC, Hong Kong, whatever and they'll suck on any colored dick that is presented to them. Wussy faggy guys are pretty much the same way. Their mere existence is a reflection of their little community.

You want to sarge up some weak, insecure hb's in their back yard and all it takes is effective isolation. The whole thing has to be under wraps. Same with the wussy faggy guys that talk game about only this race or that race or hb10's or whatever . . . Isolate them so that there is no one left to judge em' and he's happy to mount on 1's and 2's of any color with no legs and no teeth. In fact, it's the people who are trapped under their own pretense of restrictions who go most crazy when the "cage" is released.

Like attraction, racial preference is NOT a choice.

I use my racial diversity to my advantage. I can neg the girl by calling her a racist or make her guess my race.

But overall, race doesn't really matter unless the girl is a hardcore racist. Then she's just not worth it anyway.

haha...i used that in a bar in south carolina, i was smoking and she was tipsy and said she was racist. I said: you know, I like honest people and I really appreciate it (sly smile)

Actually, being of a different race and having an accent could be an advantage or a conversation starter. Especially when you are talking over the phone in a different language (i was talking Arabic on the phone and the cashier girl looked and said WOW, what language is that).

When I came to the US, I had this limiting belief, you know because Saudi Arabia is ultra-conservative country, and it was the homeland of most of the terrorists in 9-11, also it's the country with most oil. Yes, maybe 1% of the people I met were rude to me or did not want to talk to me for those reason. But the majorities found it interesting and they say: "oh I don't like how the media portray arabs and so" and the girl would say: oh I met people from your country they were really nice blabla, I hate it when I see the news or i go over the internet and hear people say bad things about Arabs.

or they would be excited about the dating experience in our ultra conservative country, it really involves a lot of risk

In addition, what could be better than being exotic and having a culture of your own... you would be mysterious and her curiosity would kick in

My thoughts exactly! Come to think of it, I once saw some Saudis who came to America... they thought just like you bro, and they had AMAZING game (and they were NOT rich either).

I'm Iranian and though we're not Arab we get a lot of the same bad press that Arabs also get... plus all of Bush's threats... My attitude is "screw it, I don't give a damn". We're not terrorists, we're EXOTIC. And if any girl asks, EXOTIC is what I give her. And they also ask me about what dating is like in Iran, well I can tell you it's not quite as risky as in Saudi, but you can still get arrested and fined if you stray into the wrong places lol!

Of course then there's the issue of Iranian girls "not liking" Iranian guys in America and "only going after blacks or mexicans instead"... That's a load of BS, they just don't date control-freaks and spoiled mama's boys, which unfortunately are the kind of Iranian guys they had bad experiences with, THAT is why they often try new things and date outside their race (and also to piss off their controlling fathers!). It has NOTHING to do with race as a whole. It's ridiculous how many of my cousins screwed up their chances with some HB10 "Persian Princesses" out of fear that hot girls of the same race won't be attracted to them. If you play solid game, none of that matters!

All this led me to ONE conclusion:

Race should not be a big issue to a PUA.

Seriously, race is only what you make of it. I've told girls I was at least 5 other ethnicities beside my own. And they believed it, and it made them curious. Your frame is FAR more important than your race.

And this if from a guy that has faced more racism than I even want to know. The only tip about race is that you should try to make your identity unique. Your race should only be a factor so long as it HELPS your game and your Alpha identity, not if it hurts it.

And ANY kind of supremacist/groupthink mentality will KILL you game, so beware of this.

Another thing: remember that girls are attracted EMOTIONALLY, not visually like guys are. So YOU get to pick which girls you approach, which race you prefer, etc. and use your GAME to attract them, not your race. I myself approach hot girls REGARDLESS of race, they're all pink inside anyway!

If your race has negative, unattractive stereotypes (like Asians supposedly being "asexual" or Indians supposedly being dorky IT geeks, or Arabs supposedly being "terrorists") then emphasize your INDIVIDUAL identity, not your race. None of that "I represent!" crap. Sure if they ask what your race is, you should tell them (or ask them to GUESS first! - compliance test!!!), but women want YOU, not your race. If you're Asian and you don't really watch anime, don't go out of your way to wear Naruto t-shirts. Don't conform - just do your own thing. And don't try to confront stereotypes or overcompensate for them, don't carry that burden! Just ignore stereotypes entirely! When all is said and done, you only truly represent yourself, and your GAME speaks for itself far more than your race.

~HotIce

we're on the money ....

I'm up in Asia and regularly sarge with two Iranians and one RAFC from Kenya. Plus, I'm mixed race so when we go out, its a natural DHV for each of us to be in one heck of a diverse bunch. I've seen first-hand how girls from Ireland, Chile and Scotland and Japan dont give a monkey's uncle about my race when I neg and even KINO them. More than half the time, i f-closed without my race being mentioned by either of us.

Throw that misconception aside and sarge. It's that simple. In fact, when I sarge alone, being the one black/mixed-race guy in the club/at the party is a DHV in itself. Use it to your advantage, tell them HBs that you being you is so hectic you're about to come.

I totally agree with you 100%! I actually get a kick outta having HB's tell me the kind of guys that they go for because in the beginning they say the total opposite of me. After some negging, disqualifying, and some DHVing I always get the line "wow you are not like any other boy I've talked to" I'm in high school if that means something...

This thread reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite thinkers

"........and the smallest minority on earth is the individual." - Ayn Rand

So what "group" "race" you belong to shouldn't really apply

YEA!!!!! im black and i sorta only go for mexicans mostly and white. but im new so idk

Actually having darker skin is just another obstacle. Kinda like a guy who is short, has a lisp, stutters, or is just plain ugly. One has to have the drive & determination to overcome.

Being a black man who loves white women, you have to be at least two or three time better than the average all american white guy. Better as in personality, physicallity, career, and overall stability. The majority of white women are conditioned to like a certain "type" of guy, therefore it makes it easier & more comfortable for them to go that route.

Darker men have to be extrodinary & be able to intrigue the lighter opposite sex on some level that the all american guy doesn't.

Race is not an excuse to not go after what you want & get it. Racial inequality not the reason a dark man cannot succed. It is however a uphill battle that as a dark man, you have to be prepared, motivated, and unafraid to conquer.