I know i am very new here, and i will be the first to admit that i am still an AFC, but i feel that Body language is not emphasized enough in the community. a little known fact about women is, if there is a conflict between what is said, and Body language, women will trust the body language. only about 7% of any interaction is actual talking, the rest is tone of voice and your body. so the best routines in the world could never work without the right non-verbal signals. and even the worst of small talk could be saved with the right face, and leg positioning. i feel that the better you are at reading people, the more successful you will be. Good readers of the body can sense IOI's much more accuratley, and much faster, and can break up negative stances before they become problems. for example, im sure you know what crossed arms mean, or open palms, but what about hands in pockets? or fingers in mouth, or touching the nose? hands on hips? blah blah blah you get the idea, i suggest reading Body Language by allan Pease if you agree with me on this. anyone else have opinions on this, id love to hear them

Another friend of mine suggested this book to me too. I intend to pick it up the next time i see it in the bookstore.

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You right
the community really does often teaches about what to say and not focusing much on reading body language, however they do insisted that you should observe and spot IOI

Well what you need to understand is that not everything could be taught by reading, I know for me personality I had to often practices in order to truly understand body language even though I knew what they were

it's not necessary important to reading a body language book because it's only require that you understand the basic principle and you'll slowly eventually figure them throughout experience

_Saiko

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I'm not sure if it is already a School of PUA, but i think that a game that is based heavily on controlling yours, and your targets body language would do well in the field.

For example:

you are eye'ing a 3 set and you first look at there FEET (not there heads). you notice that even though Guy A and B are talking to each other with the girl C not really saying anything, Guy A and B both have there feet pointed at the girl, which shows that they are quite interested in her. You walk over and do an opener, with a prop, a pen. the point of the pen is to direct eye contact of the group to where you want it. the goal here is to get the girl to have her feet and torso pointed at you, which can easily be done by telling her to look at something behind you. once she is pointing at you, your DHV will go a lot easier, cause she subconciously is sending signals to you that she is interested. after the girl sends you a few non-verbal cues, like say, flicking her hair, crossing her legs and pointing her knee at you, or leaning into you and tilting her head slightly, you can blow away the 2 guys by simply putting you thumbs into your belt loops and letting the rest of your hand hang down. this is a very aggressive position that tells women you are interested, and men you are a real threat. if the women is already interested in you she will respond to this with one of her own, and this show will also usually cause the men to cross there arms and legs in a show of defensivness, if they dont just leave outright. at this point all you need to do is watch her BL while the two of you talk, and correct any negitive body language using the pen (like if she corsses her arms, tell her to hold the pen or a moment, which will force her to uncross them to grab it.)

It is very hard to teach body language to people. Which is I bet is why it does not get much attention as it should get.

Actually i ve been experimenting with it in a strictly social (not hitting on anyone) game, and its quite amazing, its like being able to read minds, and it only took me a few months to get the skills i needed to use it, now if i could only get over a bit more of my AA i could maybe put it to some good use in the field, cause right now, i cant muster up the concentration in game situations needed to see through "the matrix" so to speak, lol

the idea is to get comfortable out there and your body language will come naturally. tell your self that you are the shit ten times a day and your body language will naturally reflect this new found attitute thats the most emphesis I'd place on that.

i agree...body language is really important....these past 2 weeks i have totally changed my posture and everything. And since i started changing i have been getting loads of attention not just from girls but from everybody!!

simple things like posture when you walk, or just looking relaxed and ready to have fun at all times makes people attracted to you...i think.

and with that you just feel better as a whole person....but its just step one to a long road..for me at least

well, maybe cause its mostly about being inteligent about it(I dont need any books to read mine of someone else body language)
and cause it comes naturally with confidence and basic reframming

like... everyone if they think for a sec will remember one time you felt like shit and how your bl responded to that, so, its pretty much a really introversive thing, but yeah, its really important

as far as introspection, there are things that you do with your posture that you could never even realize your doing, i mean pupils contracting, and feet pointing arent exactly things you choose to do, they just happen without your consent cause they feel "comfortable". and not all non verbal cues are easy to see, and common sense to read. like a closed teeth smile shows that your hiding something, smiling without crinkling the eyes comes off as insincere, and holding your arm behind yoru back shows restraint. not to mention that confidence comes from knowing what your doing, so by learning the non-verbal cues, you would be in essence building social confidence

this is very impressive, I'm gonna buy the book.

It would also be handy if you play poker I expect.

great thanks a lot!

I'd recommend it to anyone: The Definitive Book on Body Language by Allan and Barbara Pease.

Since picking it up, I find myself more conscious of my own body language and also that of others. It's still early days in my learning, but I feel I've definitely become more perceptive to the BL cues of people.

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