So lets say I'm some member of some really exclusive club..and I tell her.

I would imagine that would be a demonstration of high value..but when does it become bragging?

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16 years old and looking for help.

It becomes bragging, atleast in my mind when you use DHV in a response to something she has said. i have a higher social status than most of my age group, but i dont bring it up unless i am asked. its best if you can find something that she relates too thru EV and see if you can relate something in your life to that while using DHV. and it also depends on the girl a lot of times that is hte biggest factor on how they will take you using DHV.


for example a lot of times i will have my wing come up and address the points that show the higher value. for example ill be talking to a HB and he will walk by, be like hey man dont i know you. start a short dialogue and he will adress the fact that i own a business here in town. at which point ill confirm it, eject from that convo and re-enter convo with her. and if you have atleast set yourself firmly in the convo she will inevitably ask you about that person and whatever it is you used to DHV.

I say its when you are basking in telling the DHV "story" for to long, ie embellishing it. And going on for ever about the DHV "story".

There's no crossover.

Bragging begins as a brag and ends as a brag.
DHV begins as DHV and and ends as a DHV.

D stands for "Demonstration". Don't confuse the "D" for a "B" which would be "Bragging High Value". Which is basically DLV out of its sheer neediness.

Telling anybody that you're a member of some "private club" is a brag of the highest AFC order. I know this is the Newbie section but first, let's have some class. Second, let's show some tact . . .

If you want to use your "private club" as a DHV, you don't TELL her . . . you invite her. You don't TELL her that it's private or exclusive which is a brag. You inform her of the HIGH VALUE she will receive from membership(with you), "Ooh, they're throwing a clambake at this yacht club and it's like all the clams you can eat! We have definitely have to go and try to break the record!" Unless she's an idiot, she knows this is a private club. She knows it's exclusive.

Guys, let's try some more . . .

The AFC says, "I drive a BMW convertible.".
The PUA says, "They say the weather is going to be perfect this weekend. We should definitely go for a drive to the park . . . put the top down . . ."

AFC, "I have a 35ft. yacht."
PUA, "Hey, have you ever been to ____ island? They have like a hundred rabbits there. We should go feed em' . . . "

AFC, "I do this and that and make $$ and I'm like really rich. Look at my 20 thousand dollar watch."
HB, "Congratulations."

PUA, "I drive a motorcycle taxi in Uzbekistan . . ." (But she sees your 20 thousand dollar watch)
HB, "Not with that watch you don't . . . "
PUA, "Obviously, you've never been to Hong Kong . . . these things go for 20 bucks."
HB, "Let's trade with my watch then . . ."
PUA, "Are you a street vendor?" On and on and on . . .

i also struggle with this, women can't seem to notice things im wearing, or ask quesitons about me, which always forces me to talk about things that have happened to me, which almost always come off as bragging and showing off

ID . . .

You have no faith.

When you turn the wheel of the car to the right, how do you know you're car is going to turn right? I mean how do you really know? Do you think of all the mechanics? Do you yell at the car "Turn right, damn it, turn right!"

No. . . all you do is turn the wheel because you have faith in the order of our World. Well here are some truths in the World of social dynamics:

1. Women notice EVERYTHING that is important to procreation. Remember the movie Terminator when the robots from the future take a look at a target and accesses the situation in every detail? Yeah . . . it's like that.
2. Women DO NOT typically "interview" complete strangers and even with the few that do this, you should really curb their questioning. You should think about framing the discussion the way you see fit.

You have to have faith that when you take the steps of following certain routines, things will work in your favor. You just haven't done it enough to believe in it yourself. Stop yelling at your car to turn right and just spin the wheel. Why make it so hard for yourself? Sometimes less is more. Read up more on routines and think about what makes good routines work.

Thanks for the advice, i think that my lack of faith in the workings of this could be stemming from approach anxiety. to counter this i've been turning my Sales and psychology training into game fodder, i'm hoping that my backround in psychology will help me to gauge words that are said, as well as tone of voice, and sales gives me a deep understanding of body language, and the fact that im comfortable with my skills in these fields will dissolve my AA. when i go out this weekend, i'll see how well this works

Just tell her a story or something and have it as a patr of the story but if you say "I own x club" or whatever, then you're blowing your own trumpet. You would be better to go with "My friend and I were at x club and this happened."

The point is to make the DHV spike just that, it is stated in a pass-remarkable way and is not the point of the story.

Actually . . . I think that a thorough understanding isn't a path to dissolve AA but rather a path to a great game. You can probably self analyze your own game well enough to figure out what you did right or wrong.

It's different for everybody but for you, I'd think the best way to get through aa would be to just turn the whole thing into an experiment/game. Don't just hit one bar/club. Hit several. At every bar/club, the goal should be to open several sets and practice your routines. That's it. Forget anything else.

After every set, you can make mini adjustments to your game. After you work a bar, get the hell out. Relax and analyze your game further. What worked? What didn't? Go hit a another.

i agree, somethings come naturally but if you read "The Game" the guru who got on elimidate, blew the other guys outta the water first round simply by dhv vs bhv.
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