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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:27 pm 
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I think one problem that most women have with men is that we hear guys say "personality is what attracts me most to a girl" but yet time and time again, guys hit on the prettiest girl hoping she has an awesome personality too (which is natural). But the "HB7's" as you call them watch better looking girls get hit on all night and guys never get to know that cool "HB7" who is a 9 with her personality. I'm not accusing, I'm just stating that a lot of women are confused as to why guys SAY they want a cool girl who is down-to-earth, but they give all their attention to the 9 or 10 in the club who is practically wearing nothing and is being hit on by every other guy. I know not all guys are like this, but there are plenty that are.


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aaahhhh. girl game.

Physically "unattractive" women can intrigue a guy's mind to the point where he finds her visually attractive. there are certain attraction switches for a man (social desire, sexual tantalization, intellectual cruelty, etc.) that work like a charm, if the girl has patterned the man correctly. And I'm not just talking about pulling men. I'm talking about bagging them for LTR's.

There is comfort involved, but it's mixed with a bit of social desire (the entire room seems to want her, but can not have her, thus, setting up a social conquering scenario... the girl makes herself more than a woman, she is a challenge with a clear winner.) She has to make him comfortable enough that she is not a total whore in order for him to not feel threatened by her sexual prowess when she tries to bump up the sexual frame.

That's why, Musterion, you probably were not very attracted to that girl by the end of that night (even though yeah yeah yeah she wasn't your type.) She had been making out with three guys at the bar. It lowers her social desire value. No man wants what every man has easily.

As far as kino, she's got to push and pull. That's the only way it works. Reward and punish. You have to trigger sexual tantalization and curiosity, not hump his brains out in a corner of the bar (if the girl really wants to have a shot at bagging the guy for a while.) Brushing by things lightly and "accidentally" is as far as she should go, IMO, and that's only near the end.

Intellectual cruelty... she has to outwit and surprise him, and make him wonder why she's not trying to flatter or impress (but not in a try-hard way, it has to be in a "i'm comfortable existing and being awesome" way. She has to have a hint of cruelty to her mind... so that it seems to surpass "stupid slut" capacity even into having the "mind of a man." (I cringe at that last phrase because I think all human beings have the same brilliant capacity, bla bla bla, but a smart female PUA is going to know she has to play to men's prejudices sometimes in order to break them.)
From my perspective the second idea here is 100% perfect, the one is great so long as you walk the tight rope just right... but the third one could be very easily playing with fire...

One thing you'd have to be careful of just like I preach to the men for the third concept here... calibration. With a man who feels he's of moderately high or lower value OR has a frame of moderate strength or weaker... then you wouldnt have to worry... but for guys with virtually unshakable frames, who truly believe they are of exceptionally high value... I think this is playing with fire.

I will use myself as an example... with me there are certain hoops she can dodge and it may intrigue me... but if shes to distant I'll just leave for someone whos more fun... I don't need her social status, or her spotlight... I can create a spotlight for myself whenever I choose. So you must play hard but not to hard to get.

Next if a girl is playing hard to get but wants me and is what I'd consider under a 9... Then I'm figuring she's trying to game me... and I'm going to test her frame BIG time... I'll blast her with kino, pacing, false IOI's, anchoring, false closes, use forced IOIs... In short I'm gunna hit her with a full gambit of PUA shit tests... In order to pass her frame must stay intact but flexible... If it breaks then she's demonstrated to low of value to me, if it's completely ridged, then some part of me will see her like an AMOG and smash the frame to bits... In short you must show that your strong, yet feminine...


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I think one problem that most women have with men is that we hear guys say "personality is what attracts me most to a girl" but yet time and time again, guys hit on the prettiest girl hoping she has an awesome personality too (which is natural). But the "HB7's" as you call them watch better looking girls get hit on all night and guys never get to know that cool "HB7" who is a 9 with her personality. I'm not accusing, I'm just stating that a lot of women are confused as to why guys SAY they want a cool girl who is down-to-earth, but they give all their attention to the 9 or 10 in the club who is practically wearing nothing and is being hit on by every other guy. I know not all guys are like this, but there are plenty that are.
well, to me its not that, you know, you can read a woman even before talking to them
ALSO, when I talk about personality, I dont mean cool or down to earth... thats fucking boring! if its a hb7 who just perceive herself as a hb7 thus making her want to be a cool nice girl, who dresses to fit, who dresses and acts as the "lower value" barbie then probably, all she could be to me, its a shag....in this case she's just the AFC's hb10

but then again, there's girls who were never really the top rated girls, but has their beauty, are inteligent, knows herself, strong personality, is secure as an individual and not just as a beauty(then giving her and almost unbelievable sex appeal, even tho a lot of those are far from the gym body)
thats the kind of women I could have a relacionship(the other option is being super hot and fun)

but they're kinda of rare, if a hb7 is the one in your definition, I dont feel pitty for giving her this score

but anyway, my judgement is probably different from a lot of people here, I think I am an excepcional person and I seek excepcional girls, mediocrity and commonness are not atractive to me...
hot girls generally have an interesting personality, theyll play with you, theyll shit test you, theyll try to have power over you, if you're a beta theyll be nice to you even seeing you as inferior, they're fun....so, much more teasing in general

ps: where's your nickname from bonita? you probably know it means "pretty" in portuguese, right?


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