Is it? Why do we have to learn all this shit by our selves and with the help of internet strangers? Shouldn't we have been taught this by our fathers? How to attract women? To quote fight club "We are a society raised by women" I was raised 100% by my mother, my dad was there to pay child support and put food on the table. My mom taught me how to disassemble a car and put it back together, what did my dad do? Shit all, taught me how to sit at a computer and become a "Nice guy"(He taught me to become a servant to a woman now I have to revert all my thought processes to actually attract a woman). So now we have to come together as a community and become "fathers" to everyone else and teach each other how to attract women. Do you believe its this way? What was your father like?

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I just wanna fuck bad bitches, for all the nights I never had bitches.

I try not to play the blame game. My dad is not your typical North American father, because he wasn't raised here. So I can't fault him for growing up with different ideals, but I can for a hell of alot of other things, lol.

Anyway my AFC self was due to the choices I made, not his or anyone else's. I am responsible for myself.

The trouble with my parents is that they seem to think that just being nice and being myself is all i need to find a girl. If I just be myself, the right girl will find me. I was literally convinced that this is my only option, given that my parents are very intelligent people. In the past few years I have come to realise that this is a crock of shit.
The previous generations have no conception of how to train yourself to be good with women. It is not something that you are necessarily born with. If you want to get good at anything you need to practice, try different methods, and adopt a method that works best for you. It's not their fault, because they don't know any better. It is up to the generation of now to help our children understand the concept of attracting the opposite sex. I know if and when I have children I will make an effort:)

Haha, it's not for our fathers to blame.

A hell of a lot of factors have come into the mix. Two of the big factors are probably advertising, making you think you need to somehow buy something or improve yourself somehow to make women attracted to you. "Clothes, car, watch, deoderant, gym membership etcetc." and the second has got to do with a lot of a lot of anti-masculine sentiment that has been in mainstream media since the rise of the femmenine movement.

Being your own masculine self is very attractive and that's pretty much all you should really need. Your own masculine self.

Is it fair to blame your father? What made HIM so "unmanly?" Could he blame HIS father? Does that mean you should blame your father's father? Or perhaps your father's father's father? Quit your bitching and blaming and just take responsibility for yourself here and now. I mean that in the most loving way possible.

Fight Club in many ways is right, though. Ya gotta let go of mommy. Our parents' relationships usually don't give us very good models for male/female dynamics these days. We're forced to abandon the tenants of our own homes to seek guidance from an underground community consisting of names like Dale Carnegie, David Deangelo, David Deida, Zan, Vin DiCarlo, Sean Messenger, and even some kooky names like Sinn, Gambler, and Gunwitch. Fortunately for OUR generation, we can actually turn to these guys for guidance on how to become the men our fathers could not teach us to become. From studying on what attracts women, these "gurus" have discovered what it takes to be a MAN. The generation before us couldn't discuss that with us because it's not fucking politically correct. Anything related to sex isn't politically correct because it supposedly separates men and women and therefore promotes the unfair imbalance of power between the genders. Well, fuck that politically correct shit. Fuck it all to fucking hell. Seriously, you guys. Fuck.

We're living in a bundle of many generations that have women trying to become men and men trying to become women. That shit is seriously fucking gay. As a side note, I am so glad this forum is 100% uncensored and unbiased and shit like that. God I watch too much South Park. Look at how much I'm swearing.

Well, as I was saying, the many generations before us, at least in America, have pussified men and cockified women. The thing WE can do to change that is to fucking step up NOW and become the best men we can become. Whether it be through Deida or Deangelo, as long as his name is David he's probably a good source. We just can't afford to follow the previous generation's example. Our fathers suffered under the ignorance of AFC tenants and we cannot afford to bear the same ball and chain of a woman-dominated monogamous relationship. That shit ain't for me, brah.

My father taught me values like "always listen to your mother" and even led by example by being my mother's bitch. This made my father MISERABLE but he always thought it would end up better if he could just do what my mother told him to do. In turn, this made my mother miserable as well because she didn't have anyone to turn to for strength. She couldn't metaphorically lean on my father's shoulder because he was always leaning on her. God, what a fucking bitch he was being.

But guess what, fuckers? Women need men to be strong so they can fucking lean on them! Men need to be the fucking leaders and women are the "followers." I put "followers" in quotes because for some reason those goddamn feminists and feminazis don't fucking understand that being a follower gives you just as much POWER as the leader because the leader needs the follower's consent and respect to be able to fucking do his job and lead. Those goddamn feminists just focus WAAYYYYY too much on this POWER shit because they too have been brainwashed into becoming the opposite gender. Jesus tapdancing Christ this shit is SO fucked up.

Fuck... I'm gonna take a break from drinking for a few days.

OK I'm done ranting here.

Get over yourself, seeking other people for your blame is a bad and insecure habit.

To quote Tyler Durden.

DAMMIT! TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY!

shit fuck, fuck the fucking fuckers.

I fucking listened to my fucking mom when it came to girls, she taught me how to be the biggest afc, fuck.

she would say things like, "you have to chase the girl", "you have to go and be everywhere with her and dont leave her for a minute, then she will know you care about her." "girls love gifts and surprises, buy her gifts and flowers she will know you care about her." and this is what i did, fuck!, i wasted like 10 opportunities to get with a girl bcuz of this shit. fuck

if it wasn't for this community that opened my eyes i would be fucking dead by now. fuck

cartman rules.

truthfully maybe its just me? but im not ashamed with my game. I think learning this is learning how to function better in society. To have a advantage over other people. To understand the subconscious thoughts we have and how interact better with people. Which would not only help us with being a PUA but with life in general. My dad couldn't have possibly taught me this stuff with out being a PUA him self or something. The cool thing about this is we can all go out and try certain things with the understandings we have already and let each other know how it works. So yeah, i don't think its our fathers fault lol my dad is pretty good at talking to woman actually lol and showing me how to work on cars

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I am the prize....

well, Ive already tought about that
my dad was probably a natural, but its kinda my fault that I didnt hang up enough with him, my parents are divorced and shit
also, I mirrored much more in the way my dad is and was then from what he told me, and that rocks, well, my father was never an AFC.. but how could I blame him if he was?

but then again, this shit is like the butterfly effect
if I was around with my dad a lot I could've been an agressive guy that push too much, I could have been in much more fights that I had, dunno, I could've been a ladies man earlier so what?

this is the kinda of thing that you can't blame, just think positively...I will teach a lot my secrets to my son, maybe Ill make a dinasty hahaha
no, really.

King Warrior Magician Lover
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Robert Moore and Doug Gillette

lmao

Well, that one guy who was swearing like crazy said it best.

My take on this is that we were all born into a feminist (western) society, and the reason we are all here is that our fathers weren't "there" in the sense of REAL manhood. Sure they could beat us if we misbehaved, intimidate us, and take away our gadgets... but that is not manhood, it is insecurity cloaked in aggression. They all had no clue how to act around women, and in many cases their only advice was "settle down with a nice woman... NOT like your mother!" without mentioning that our mothers may have been wonderful women were our fathers not such insecure AFCs. My own father had no clue this stuff was possible, and still has suspicions of disbelief that the whole PUA thing is some sort of hoax!

It's true, women are the ones who need to lean on men. And sometimes some guys' fathers are so stupid and clueless that they actually IMPEDE their son's progress and make him into a pussy.

My situation was different. I come from a culture where the men have traditionally been very cold and controlling and the women were expected to be submissive - so now in America where men have to live with the idea of feminism, many such immigrants can not handle it and they just respond by turning off - just giving up, giving these "liberated" women the cold shoulder, giving up on relationships, giving IN to disbelief and dumbfounded frustration... because they have no idea how to attract women instead of instantly proposing marriage, and thus they feel they have lost all their power - when it was really the dark side of culture that took their power away to begin with. Feminism was only the final crack in the arch.

Now the crazy thing is that I doubt most of the puritanical fathers out there would approve of their sons being on this site and reading the stuff that we post here... it's crazy, because they do not WANT their son's success... sadly many of them simply can not handle reality in the 21st century and they think nothing has ever changed since the good old days of tradition - yet it's a given fact that even in THEIR time, someone was secretly macking all the women while their angry, possessive backsides were turned. So for those of you that face this situation, remember this simple behavioral axiom:


"Say to him as is pleasing to his ego and as will not inflame his broken arrogance; cultivate your true reality behind his back, away from his prying eyes, having no need for his approval. For he can never handle reality - so lose all bitterness, pursue the path of your own success, and leave him with NO HEIR to his legacy of frustration and failure."


This axiom is the path of all great men. It is how Cyrus the Great went from the son of a minor vassal nobleman to the ABSOLUTE King of the 32 nations of the Persian Empire. It is how John Rockefeller went from the son of a poor peddler to the richest man on earth. It is how Stalin gained power despite memories of a VERY bad father. It is how Casanova, whose father was an impotent, irresponsible cuckold, became the greatest PUA in history. It seems crooked, deceptive, immoral... YOU BET! But it is THE way to become your own man and not just an unwilling clone of your father's memory.

And of course mothers share in the blame as well... but much less. I mean COME ON dudes... nobody should expect his mother to teach him the key to women's hearts. Being women themselves, they have that same flaw that all women have - they are BLIND to how their emotions trump their logical minds - and thus they substitute fantasy for reality. They are even MORE POORLY EQUIPPED than our dads when it comes to raising MEN. And that isn't mother's fault, it's simple genetics! A female mind can NEVER impart MALE knowledge. So stop expecting mom to do what's impossible for her to even grasp. They are used to being EFFECTS in their own world, not CAUSES (which is what our fathers SHOULD have been). They also generalize themselves as the "model" for all women everywhere. Thus, mothers often imagine that what they lack is what EVERY woman must desire. THAT is why our baby-boomer moms say "buy flowers" or "call her a lot to show you care". Being in relationships with controlling or "give-up" husbands causes them to desire these tokens of affection - and they FANTASIZE that all women must desire such needy (and in fact, creepy) attention.

Little do they know that with this bad advice - and the guaranteed rejections it results in - they have also bred the biggest generation of frustrated perverts, emotionally castrated pansies, compulsive "not-by-choice" homosexuals, (and even *shock* sex offenders and child molesters) in history.


But fortunately, you always have the option to buck this horrible trend.

Don't be another whining statistic.

Don't give in to the mental slavery of politically correct corporate mind-control and groupthink.

Don't suffer the same fate as those puritanical parents. You have a choice.

Be a man of POWER. The PUA arts are the TRUE man-making school.

Our way, is a way with no room for hesitation or regrets.


~HotIce

I have to agree with you Lucius. My Mum basically taught be the same stuff. But what have we learned since we started this journey? Women say what they want, but actually react to completely different things. Sure they like flowers and dinner, but it is not what makes them attracted to you. I think a lot of women don't even understand that. My Mum certainly doesn't. I have given up asking my Mum for advice with women. She is an AFC.
Cheers,
Jay

How many of you are familiar with Sigmund Freud's Oedipus complex? It suggests that a child feels sexual desire for it's parent of the opposite gender and simultaneously desires the death of the parent of the same sex. What this means in practical terms is this; every boy feels the need to defeat his father at some point in his life. For those of you who did not have fathers around or had women who had to assume that mantle this opportunity never came along. In his lecture "Becoming a Man" David DeAngelo spoke of absent fathers and I recommend watching it (may be on youtube).
Defeating your dear old parental unit in a field that is important to BOTH of you is an integral part of becoming a man. Failure to do so is a form of mental castration (Freud's term) that has repercussions later in life.

So, can we blame our dads? If they weren't there yes, yes we can. However what of the cases when they were present but we still didn't learn what we now need? i feel i am in this situation so I'll use myself as an example. I've always considered my dad a very intelligent person and last year my highschool results were my method of defeating him. It was a significant moment that was made more poignant by my awareness of it. I have a great family life with no drama. Unfortunately for me my dad is very much a beta male physically and in attitude. His lack of assertion (and indeed my mum's lack of it) is something that I picked up. The old adage is correct when it says that children may not listen to their parents but they never fail to imitate them.

On balance it may not to be fair to blame our dad's for not passing on traits which they do not possess. Fortunately we have enough intelligence to recognize our shortcomings and make amends for them. The other side to the Oedipus complex is that we derive our pattern for talking with women from our interaction with our mother. Ironically (just my opinion) guys who don't have their dad around become more forthright with their mum and ergo better able to deal with demanding women. Just a thought.

Happy hunting to y'all!

P.S Has anyone read The Selfish Gene? I'm a little way into it and it's potential for understanding human motive game wise (survive and replicate) is huge. I'd appreciate any thoughts on it

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"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

Would it be great if our fathers were guru PUA's and taught us the ropes when we were 8? Yeah, I think so.

How many great PUA's do you know of . . . even in this forum?

The only thing that the Internet gave us was a medium to spread cans. I mean this is low level rudimentary shit anyhow.

Certainly, you can't blame your dad for not knowing something that even to this day, only a handful of the World's population can do with skill and style. Do you blame your dad for not teaching you to dunk a basketball like Michael Jordan or not teaching you the basics of quantum physics?

Just the thought that PUA skills can be possessed by a "dad" then passed on like some family heirloom fortifies my belief that way too many people treat social skills like some paper degree from a community college. Stop making excuses, do what you can . . .

100 guys can partake in every PUA seminar there is but a great majority will always go right back to chump-hood. Those guys will always end up blaming the seminar-guru-teacher-lecture guys.