I am pretty new to the game and I have been working my way through 'Magic Bullets'. One of the first points in the book is the need to provide a healthy front, and it mentioned using cover-up to hide acne.

I have had acne since my teenage years. In recent times I have found techniques to control breakouts but I have been left with very bad scarring. I am 20 at present and cannot see the scarring improving considerably. The skin is violently red at times and covers most of my forehead and t-zone, plus my cheeks. This has left me feeling self-conscious at times and is certainly the one thing I would change about my appearance if I could.

After reading the suggestion in 'Magic Bullets' I decided to buy some cover-up and try it out. I have been using it for the past week and have been increasingly confident in applying it. When wearing the cover-up I felt considerably more attractive and felt that women were more receptive to me. All felt good to me, until yesterday when my sister asked me if I was wearing make-up. I didn't think it would bother me that much if someone noticed but it did rattle me a little bit and when I was out in the evening I felt much more conscious that people would realise I was wearing cover up. I am now wondering if wearing cover up is the right thing to do. My pros and cons are as follows:

+ Healthy appearance.
+ Hides red scarring and tiredness.
+ Boosts confidence.

- People may notice I am wearing make up.
- Aggrivates skin, and may not help in long-term.

The real crux of the problem for me is whether it is better to have fairly awful skin and look pretty rough (its the redness that is unusually bad), or have people realise you are wearing make up and think it is an odd thing to do.

I realise that inner game is most important and I would get dates either way, but I wondered what people thought, and which way was the best to go.

At present I am leaning towards the cover up as it makes me appear more attractive and I think it is better to look and feel better and then just shrug off people who find men wearing makeup odd. What does everybody think?

I think that if you feel confident wearing it go for it!

And if someone asks you if your wearing make-up Im sure you could develop a funny and witty routine to put them in their place.
Some people seem to think it is 'queer' or something ridiculous (mostly guys), yet it could be argued you are merely doing yourself up to present yourself to other people as best as you can, just like girls do every day.
Besides, it seems to be encouraged by most PUA's. I have seen a lot wear eye-liner etc. Mystery wears alot of make-up.

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Hey Giacomo,

If you can confidently wear makeup, girls will LOVE that.

Style once said one of the best places to meet girls is at the makeup counters, because all they do is take to girls allday.

Cheers,
Warden

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Hey just go for it ive never known girls to get skin problems from wearing make-up, the others are right girls will dig you for having the confidence to and it will go very well on a date. check out my article on minus plus theory where i go into it in more detail (it is in the approach section)

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Make up is not bad, I recomend you go to a store like Macys (in the USA) or anything like that. Walk to the make up counter and start asking the girls there what can u get. I did this cuz I really hate my eyes it looks like I'm always tired; not only did I get all the help I needed I even got a #. It's great U just have to come to terms with u using make up and all the AFC can shut it.

Man, your sister noticed it because she knows you and sees you heaps most likely, so I'm assuming she would notice any changes. As for people you are meeting for the first time, I doubt they would know. And if they do see it, who cares? You could probably work something out like you are training to act in something and need to get used to wearing it. Be confident with it.

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Are you guys seriously talking about wearing make-up? I must be in the wrong forum. What the fuck is next? A thread about stiletto heals and purses? Give me a fucking break, grow some balls and be confident with yourselves, not your pussy make-up. Jesus Christ.

Yeah MAtes I think the same as metuselah , Wearing MAke Up ! C´mon.

OK U can hide a single pimple under some of those Tv-products, but if ur full of pimples and zits it would be ridioulus to do that c´mon

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i think coveringit up isn't the way forward.. i get that u feel more confident but if u learnt how to be confident without it it would be alot better, i mean wot happens when u bed a girl and the next day its all old and she see's the scars better to be honest i reckon an if they dnt like the scars then their materialistic and their loss dude,
as for eye make up i think thats a good way to peacock.

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I'm not going to say "Don't wear make-up." If you feel that it improves your appearance, if you're more confident because of it, go nuts. But I would first suggest you try and fix the scarring, instead of just hiding it. There are a lot of new options out there for acne scars, and while most are expensive, they're also permanent (cover-up, less so). Laser scar removal is the one I would suggest, but talk to a dermatologist and find out what they have to say. Vitamin K enhanced skin-care products have also been shown to reduce visible scarring caused by acne.

Look at all of the available options, then make a choice based on your own circumstances.

And to detractors, I would like to point out that we belong to a community that supports wearing nail-polish and eye-liner to stand out in the crowd. I've seen Mystery wearing thick, silver eye-shadow. Is cover-up a huge departure from that? Not really. Honestly, a good foundation cream would be better (more even distribution of color, so it's a bit less obvious)

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I never said I supported nail polish and eye liner, and quite frankly think that just because Mystery does something doesn't mean its cool or not. I'm not detracting anything, I am just pointing out that 'make-up' is exactly what it says. MADE UP, its not real. Why cover a few scars up, be proud of who you are, don't hide behind a wall of foundation. I have scars from different things all over my head and body, no need to cover them up, they make you who you are.

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I didn't imply that you personally supported anything. The community, however, has blurred certain barriers when it comes to what is - and is not - appropriate in dress for men.

When a scar is the result of an event, I tend to be proud of it. Where I am afflicted with scars from natural processes that lower my overall attractiveness, I'm not proud. Acne scars do not make you who you are. I have a three-inch scar over my left eyebrow; that's part of who I am. I have stretch-marks along my stomach and under my arms; not a part of who I am. I feel I'm blessed that those marks are not on my face. Were they, I believe I would be ashamed of them, regardless of whether or not it was something I could control. I would be looking for ways to deal with the problem (though admittedly, Vita-K skin products would be my starting point, not make-up).

One of the reasons people become involved with pick-up is to feel more attractive to the opposite sex. Sometimes, that requires a level of body-modification. We start working out. We start taking better care of ourselves. We care more about our appearance. If caring about our appearances comes to the point of wearing make-up, I'm not going to say "Don't! Fuck! That's not manly!" Do what you need to do to feel comfortable. Do what you need to do to feel sexy. To hell with established gender roles.

Stilettos and purses? How about platforms and prop bags?

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Yeah, I am aware that you weren't directly implying that I felt one way or another. What I meant by my statement is that just because we "belong to the community" does not mean that we should support make-up wearing. The community has indeed blurred certain barriers, some of which I think are unnecessary, like the application of make-up to cover-up a couple of scars.

How are stretch marks and acne marks not who you are? Those situations that caused those scars to exist would certainly appear to be a part of your life? It would seem logical that covering up would be an effort to conceal oneself from what they actually are. Just because you don't prefer them over your "battle wound" type of scars doesn't make them not a part of who you are, that doesn't make sense. At most I would take steps in helping them heal and fade properly, just as I would with any scar. But I just don't agree with concealing your face with foundation and so called "beauty" products. Beauty is real, make-up is not. Be comfortable with you who are, not comfortable with your covergirl.
Acne scar = A side effect or sign of every mans journey through puberty. It happens, its a part of your life, its a part of who you are. Plain and simple.

Left Eyebrow = Some sort of accident, who you are as well.

Stretchmarks = A side effect or sign of you either gaining serious amounts of weight or muscle in a short span of time. Very much who you are.
Body-modification, yes, you should be interesting in working out and taking better care of yourself anyway; that shouldn't be because of pick-ups, though in most cases it is, it should be something you personally seek for your own benefit. Wearing make-up is not self improvement or personal development of any kind, its a lame excuse to stifle your emotions without dealing with them and facing them like a man. The PUA community is not about concealment of deep-rooted fears and emotions, it is about personal advancement through being real with yourself. Not wearing make-up like an emotionally unstable being. I see where wearing something like eye liner can be acceptable because its not seeking to conceal ones' true identity, but rather to peacock or style yourself that night. Again, something I would never do, but nonetheless it is different than caking on foundation and throwing on a fake smile because you feel better behind your wall of powder.

"To hell with established gender roles"

Thats not the issue.

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i didnt read everyones bitching - couldnt be fucked.

DONT WEAR MAKE UP!!

not only is it crossing gender roles (yeah, fuck it - ill say it) but it has other effects...

your making out with a chick - she brushes your face - 'whats on your face??'
'makeup'
'WTF, why are you wearing make up? your wearing more than me!!!'

you can see where this is going....

and
if you dont have make up out one day you may lose confidence in your abilities

theres more - ill be back...........

me personally i wouldn't ever be caught dead with make up. like david d said "its OK to be a man" i have cheek acne and im pretty scared for. but i still have great suscess and to me it almost seems like no women notices how bad it is. the last thing you want is another male al-alphaing you on make up. you can really compensate for it by running game real good so the women looks beyond ur fucked up acne. and in any case if she brings your acne up as an insult, well you knwo what to do bust her balls and use cocky comedy to put her in her place. if you really want to get it handled buy your self pro-active or w/e shit you can see at your nearest convience store to help fix your shit. this is inner game you need to work on man. on top of that like style says "its not the baldness that affects your game, its the insecurity that the baldness creates that affects you"