August 28 was the start of my second year of university. Of course, I can tell you of all the shitty things that happened like getting lost driving to class and missing my sociology class or all this other negative stuff but I rather focus on the good. Suffice to say, it was the worst day of my life, and for me its saying alot. Of course, through changing my thoughts and ideas I figured: Hey streetwise, youre having one of the worst, most dramatic, uncomfortable days of your life. Why not sarge? If you can sarge when feeling this awful, think of how you will do when youre having a normal or good day!!

I opened up at least eight sets (I havent used an opinion opener yet, usually hi or a question will get me in, besides Im using web theory where Im using friends to meet other friends, which brings me to the meat of this FR, the blond HB 9 who seems impossible to game!)

HB 9 IMMUNE TO GAME!!!

Its class: First day. Im talking to a friend from my youth group (if it can be called that, we usually just get together, then nuns bring food and we eat and talk). This georgeuous, leggy, sexy blonde HB 9 walks up and says hi, interrupting me and taking the youth group girls attention from me (I wasent gaming the girl, shes too pure for that). And starts talking about her summer. I ask what did she do and she replied go to beaches and gave my friend her myspace to check the story of her summer out. I was about to run some game but class started.

I left, once again on my quest for the bus schedule and where the stops were. I pass her once. Im walking like I own the fucking school, girl passes right past me. I dont even blink.

We pass a second time, the girl smiles, waves and mouths hi (IOI?). I nod my head with a slight smile, vowing to run home and pratice every DHV I could get my hands on. Sadly it wouldnt be quick enough. I finally catch the bus and lo and behold: THe girls there. She motions for me to sit next to her (another IOI?) and this other guys near her. She explains she was lost to and missed the bus three times (as had I) and the guy showed her the way. When I told her I had missed the bus three times (vulnerability) she put her hand up and said Hi 5 (Is this the third IOI?)!

We talked more fluff. She mentioned how she travelled all over the place, knew tax law and used it to set up three ebay companies, made 7 k over the summer reselling, how she was premed and how she liked school.

SHe was out of my league, no doubt. I was starting to get intimidated. It wasent only her words that intimidated me, it was her mannerisms and way of speaking. She spoke quickly, a mile a minute continiously. You know jugglers 90-10 conversation model? It was in play, but I was the ten percent. I tried a neg. "You know people who speak quickly usually due so due to low self esteem. Its because they dont think their intresting enough to hold peoples attention so they speak quicker to get their ideas in." She didnt hesitate, she didnt think (I was watching her eyes), she wasent thrown off. She merely replied "I do it because I have so many great thoughts that people like." Boom. My neg washed right off her like nothing. I felt like I was a warrior fighting a jelly monster who is immuse to physical attacks, and I had no magic spells. Im trying to get on track while listeneing to her talk alot (it was intresting conversation). I decided to use the esp test. She liked my earrings and asked if the blackish blue stones were my birth stones. I told her I didnt know and she asked my birthday and figured it out.

I asked if she believed in astrology and stuff. She said yes. I asked her to pick a number between one and ten. "It doesnt matter" she said "Most people in Western society pick seven"

I stood there, mentally slack jawed! She saw through was I was doing, and I think it DLV'd. Instead of recoveing I said "Damn you you saw through my trick." She started talking about her summer again and volunteered her email and myspace name. EMAIL CLOSE!!!!

She left at the next stop after almost missing it due to her talking. She left with a smile and a wave. I watched her walk in an almost dreamy like delerium.

Our next class together was Wednesday and I was tired to I went to sleep early, not being able to study the DHV's. BAD MOVE!!

I went to class today, opened a few more sets, talked to more people and went to the library to, once again, check the bus schedule. While asking for help at the help desk, the HB 9 comes in, smiling, with two Carl Rodgers books under her arm, books from my favorite psychologist . . . I went to the IT help desk and than decided "Hey, shes in the library why not go!" SO I did. I greeted her with "Im extremely bored and have some time to kill before the bus get here." She moved her stuff and I sat across from her.

Than it happened: Something that never exsisted prior to this meeting: A new term was coined.

She gave me an IOD, a indicator of DISintrest.

She was on her laptop and she pulled out her ipod. "Its a really old school one but it has over three thousand songs on it." I was shocked!! Did she not want to talk to me? Did she give me her ipod because she thought I was unintresting and boring? WTF?

SO I pull out my own MP3 player and say Im good. And shes like "Cool, you got music than."

Of course, I wasent going to listen to music when this HB nine was in front of me. I started a conversation and we spoke of everything. SHe had her hand on the pulse of all the goings on in the small town. We talked Shakespear, magic the gathering (shes an avid player), Dungeons and dragons games that took place at the local barns and nobels every saturday. She even told me that she basically lives at barnes and nobels (IOI???). She said maybe sometime we should play a game of magic (she said that she cant find any good opponents) and invited me to the dnd game saying it was a perfect time for me to go because they were restarting the campaign.

I time constrainted. I had the bus in twenty minutes. I asked her my usual "If you could be anywhere now instead of here where would you be?" And she said the beach. I said she lived in the wrong place, that it was two hours away form a beach. After some talking and me mentioning that I swam alot and used to be in a few swimming teams (it was all truth) I told her I would check out her myspace soon ad shes like "No you wont."

Than, disaster struck. We were talking about beaches again and she said "Yeah sometimes my boyfriend takes me to the beach or I go with friends." BOOM!!!!!!!!
My mind was racing. She was taken! DOubt entered. Do I even have the skills to attract her? Is she attracted already? What if it was all coincidence and I wasent getting any IOI's? What if she is serious with the guy? SHould I do bf destroyer now? Do I even remember the bf destroyer? I said "Its good to have someone to go to the beach with." I had to leave, the bus was almost there and my head was spinning. I got up to leave and ran out (I had stayed to long, what Im now coining overtime game or OT, I actually had somewhere to go and sarging was ruining it)Im twenty long strides away when she yells wait! Remember, we are in a library. Everyone was looking at us. It looked like in one of those sappy romance movies where the girl or guy is leaving and the girl keeps telling him to come back because he forgotm to kiss her or something. People must have thought we were acting something out. I come back. SHe smiles. "Whats your name again?" Im looking like WTF!!!!!!

"Streetwise keen."
"Oh hey, I was wondering if I could ask you a question. Would you like to go to the beach or swimming with me sometime?"

BOOM! Thats a definite IOI, right guys?

I lay it on thick.

"Ok, but how would I contact you?" She thought for a moment. I was dreading her coming to the realization that we could communicate via myspace. "Well you could email me over myspace after I add you as a friend."

Damn, my heart sunk. "Or I could give you my number."

BOOM!!

My head was spinning as I reached into my backpack and gave her a pad and pencil to write with. As she wrote I negged her on her messy handwriting. "I can barely read it!" She said "I can read it to you, if you want." Almost as if she wanted to be sure I would get it. I said it was ok. Than I brought something esle up:
"I thought you said you didnt add people you barely knew?" This was in her reponse to her "after I add you as a friend" comment. SHe thought for a second, "Yeah youre right." But I chimed in "Of course, you can make an exception for me because Im diffrent from any guy you've met, right?" She smiled as if she had an idea. "Well if you turn out creepy I can always block you. I already have one stalker, I dont want another one." I smiled. The perfect cocky funny comment entered my mind "Youre the one showing up everywhere I am on campus." Before she could respond I said bye and ran off.

SO heres the deal: SHes a hot, sexy, leggy blonde older woman who likes dungeons and dragons, magic the gathering, poety, psychology, reading and she wants to be a psychitrist.
Im going to be honest: I entered a game to find a girl EXACTLY like her. No joke, she has all the qualities of my ideal girl. Im trying not to get oneitis but its hard.

UPDATE: Yesterday I got reverse kinoed. I went to the bus and she was there, like always, and she was talking to a friend. I figured Id give her the gift of missing me and decided to mini freeze out. I went on the bus, without saying hi, sat down and put on my headphones.

As she passed me to go to her seat she said hi enthusiastically and pinched my cheek. "Whats wrong youre not smiling?" I tried not to smile after being touched by her but it was hard. "There ya go." And she sat down. I did my little psychological reconnience tactic (I sit with my headphones on but no music so I can hear all around me. Ive caught people talking behind my back like this) and she was talking to her friend, just not as much as she would talk to me. On her stop she passed by and almost put her hand on my shoulder (I saw her hand move and she stopped an inch away) She said bye, stopped three steps and said "Is there anything wrong?" I said no, smiled and she walked off the bus.

The problem is I know shes attracted to me, I know it! If I was reading this on a FR Id be telling the guy "Shes waving more flags than the UN!" But Im new to this and barely realizing that this stuff does work, and its overwhelming. In my first day of sarging, I met, as philosophy said, a real 9 who was confident and sexy and knew what they wanted. Her reality is stronger than mines. Negs dont work, her self confidence is not dependent on me. She isnt ties to social protocol like I am (though Im trying to free myself). She is everything I want to be.

Im afraid to progress because Im afraid of losing her, as a friend. I know I need to get past this and with your guys help I know I can game her, Im just feeling like Ive barely started training for little league when Im competing in the olympics (reverse of what juggler says)

wow man. long post there. I will check it out tomorrow when I have more spare time. peace.

Alright man, no pressure. Im greaing up to talk to her today (perhaps). Its funny, if were face to face I talk like nothing, yet when I think about calling her I get nervous and scared.

dude let me be clear when i say this. i know this is the exact girl your looking for (so it seems) but you cannot obsess over this chick. many times when you want the girl you have to sacrifice losing her. honestly, DONT think that shes the Only girl on campus thats this way. Dude there are 7 billion people in this world and that number is only getting higher, and your game is only getting better. with that said though, keep working on this chick, everytime you see her kino escaltion, possibly throw in some SOI (statement of intent) let herknow what you want. man, dont become a friend to this broad you clearly have a chance. If she ever says i want to be friends with you your an amazing guy (ive heard this) break that in half, tell her "i already have enough friends" trust me ive used this before works like a charm. she could also have been shit-testing you with that b/f line. that was the first time she brought it up right, its possible she doesnt even have a b/f just seeing how you'd react, and as you told us you left right after id say you failed that test lol but no worries man, keep gaming her. keep us posted i wanna help you out oh yeah im also starting 2nd year uni tomrrow morning blah that shits wack but im gonna try and sarge some girls tomrrow haha alright and plz keep the posts short. at least shorter than your original post dude
-peace

well, i think you did some good things in there. The reason that she's so quick and aggressive is because, believe it or not, she is the alpha in most of her groups. She leads conversations, is the center of attention and people follow her. You just have to out alpha her to win her over. If you out-alpha her, she will be smitten. It's up to you to be quicker and have much sharper wit. And, with the whole boyfriend thing, pretend she never said it. If its true, you can still win her, and if its not, you've got nothing to worry about in the first place. Good Luck

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She definately does have a bf, its on her myspace and I asked a mutual friend (in passing, I didnt give myself away) Ive been getting alot of reverse kino lately the girl even asked me outright "When will I see you again?" when I was leaving the bus. Heres the update:

UPDATE:
TOday I decided to try to make some more progress with her. We met in the library by accident before class and she mentioned a name and I asked who it was. The name was Men Ching and she said she was asian. After I negged her for the obviousness of that she brought up how it would be a cool name to give her daughter . . . if she had one. We went to class and were talking about everything from psychology and she once again mentioned her bf, saying she never pumped her own gas because she lived in New Jersey and there its illegal to pump your own gas and mentioned that now her bf pumps her gas. I didnt let it effect me. I found out why she has so much problems focusing on a convo with me where their others around: She has ADD. Now Im not sure wether to do a take away or what when she randomly talks to other people. Well she needed to sit near the wall to plug in her laptop and she went to one side of me, forcibly turned my chair around to face her and asked "Is this good for you?" Later while talking she asks if I have her phone number (which I do). She was like "Just making sure."

Aside from random comments during class and me DHV'ing my psych knowledge it didnt really start till after class, the bus. She went to return the laptop to the library and I didnt go with her (In my afc days I would have followed her around like a puppy on a leash). I actually said that if she didnt make it in time for the bus that I would leave her behind and that she should run, which she did.She sat right behind me. I jokingly say "Damn girl you just love getting behind me dont ya? Is the back of my head that sexy?" She replied "Oh I just dont like guys behind me." No wink or anything so Im assuming that wasent a sex thing. We fluffed some incredible fluff, the type Juggler speaks about where you both get so into it you dont even remember what you said after wards. She was leaning direct next to me. After some fluff, me negging her on her short attention span and memory (negs still not working ) I decided to bring up some stuff I got from a body language book. Im figuring if I can point out rapport and give valid psychological reasons why I can increase the feeling by focusing her attention on it.

Heres how it went: We started talking about cats and dogs, she mentioned she was a cat person. "We are so totally incompatible. I dont even know how we hang out. I love dogs and their just so much more cooler than cats." Disqualifier. "Well I like dogs too, but Im mainly a cat person. But we get along so well!" She qualified herself to me. I decided to take the lead.
"We get along because we have rapport. Here, let me try something." She sits back and I put my hand near her face, like Im about to caress her chin. She didnt flinch or even blink. Usually a move that brazen would freak a girl out, but she was calm and still. "You see, every person has their personal space. It depends on person to person but those born in a city are used to having less personal space than those born in the country. By putting my hand near you and you not flinching it means you feel safe with me, almost as if you could tell me anything (lol little on the fly nlp)." She leans in even closer. "Youre right! With other people I talk a little but with you I can talk for hours and hours!" It was the hook point of this relationship (if it hadnt happened before)

"I feel really comfortable with you." Damn. I dont want comfort, I want attraction!!!!!!! She complemented me on my energy and how I always seem happy (things I would have never gotten without the community, thank you).
We spoke Hemmingway, Dungeons and dragons, magic the gathering, anime. It was freaking great. At her stop she got up and said "When will I see you again?" I didnt miss the opportunity. "Damn girl you really like seeing me dont you?" She seemd shaken, almost as if she was embarassed to say it. "Youre right it doesnt matter." She told me to have a nice day and ruffled my hair and walked away.

I know shes waving more flags than the UN, I know this, but she keeps bringing up her bf and seems happy with him. Not that I wouldnt take her from him if I could (to quote Canderous Ordo from Star wars: Knights of the old republic "If you cant keep her she was never yours.") but she seems to be happy. So why does it seem like shes attracted to me?

I dont like her saying she is comfortable. I want her to be on her toes, never knowing what I will do next. I know, I want to run more game but we get into these conversations that hypnotize us both and we forget what were talking about (the kinda convo Juggler talks about).

My plan: Hang out with her at the local JC. Hang out. Take my deck of magic card to school and play her in the library (she showed alot of intrest in doing this). After that possibly offering her a ride home, after that inviting her over my place to hang out (I need to increase attraction!!!!!!! Ive gotten everything else) no sex. Im going to bum rush DHV's

Just my 2c, but your post made me register to this forum because I had a very similar situation half a year ago

> The problem is I know shes attracted to me, I know it!
Now that's a good starting point, isn't is?

> She is everything I want to be.
Forget that one. Do you feel comfortable around her? Good You are already ahead of her.

Just don't worry about the boyfriend. If she were happy, she woundn't mention him and play with you at the same time. Not with all the cues she is giving you.

Continue down the road you have started. If she's comfortable around you it also implies she's uncomfortable with him right now. In my experience this is not a LJBF sign at all, so don't fear it. She may well gaming for you to take her over. Stay cool, remember that she wants you. You are the price and she probably already feels that

If she ever voices even the slightiest negative thing about her boyfriend, there is a classic line that you might remember: "You are a wonderful person. Your boyfriend cannot appreciate what he has in you" (Translated from German, so alter wording into whatever seems suited.)
Don't be afraid to compliment her! Girls love it. And this compliment includes a nice boyfriend destroyer. Remember she is searching for someone to whom she can look up. Let her know that her bf isn't the right guy (she already knows, but you can confirm that) but that you are.

BTW: IMHO, talking about potential kids or their names is a first class giveaway. She wants you

Stop worrying and have fun. Chasing a girl can be fun. But the real fun is being chased by her, especially if she is alpha. I think you are on a very good road.

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Im really curious on what happened. Did you advance with her? Remember its worth risking the frienship.

hi styleflow..your post quiet interesting..u got me inspired a lil..but i think i got serious issue in my own game..getting into a gal zone is no problem.. the problem is suddenly i become so needy..the exciment turns to desperation..happened a few times.. u got to tell me how u make yourself distant away without hiding ur intention that you want her to be attracted to you..that way making her want more..any tip guys i seriously need help on making lasting rapport..

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apologies .. i didnt see the author name .. my apologies to you streetwisekeen..

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i agree she waves more flags than the un...mabie she's read up on pua protocol and she knows the game better than you do >LOL
no offence.

I think she might be Niel Strauss?

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Tip #1 - Find out how long she's been with her bf. If it's 5 or 6 months, forget about her as a potential target. Don't be that guy. That's no reason why you and her can't become friends - and HB9 in your corner is massive social proof.

Tip #2 - It sounds like you have LOADS in common with this girl.... so why bother gaming her? Just be yourself. You're not short on reasons to talk, or things to talk about. A natural connection is far more powerful than any game you can play, so enjoy it! Think about the comfort, ease, and interest that you have together, and find your inner game. There's no such thing as out of your league until you say there is!

Good luck!

no fair... lucky dude. id love that kind of challenge. lol

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ok, true. if you like this girl... i think its an insult to treat her like a number... so follow what you feel right with doing

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