I have known a girl for a couple of years as she lives virtually opposite me. I know her brother pretty well as we worked together. I once saved him from getting his ass kicked by 3 guys while she was watching and desperatley hoping someone would help her brother.

A Day later I saw her and comforted by asking if she was OK and that she could rely on me - I then saw her typically every 2 months when she be in the store - I have had to make an effort to "accidentally bump into her in the store" she was OK to talk to me but not Excited to talk to me About 12 months ago when I tried to meet her at a bus stop "accidentally" I noticed she started to go more cold. And I have been trying to get rapport - but it been damn hard to find common place where I could meet her until recently-

Today
But Instead off starting of with creating a rapport, I NeGed her, cause she didnt want to give me her number, she seemed pissed off. I need to turn this round - I came over as a Stone Cold Jerk. - Need to create attraction - how?

How do I be playful with her and ideally with her friend so it doesn't look too forced ?

I am thinking of given her a DVD of a movie which I know she will love as a way of say sorry (Is this to needy?)- this way we might have someting o talk about later.
And if she doesnt want to take the bait what should I do?

No. No no no no no no.

No gifts.

It's time to pull out the Galactus Bomb. What you need to do, to get this back on track, is come face-to-face with her, and boldly neg her again... somewhere more personal.

That way, you'll get an emotional reaction from her. Make it something that will set her off.

And then?

Laugh at her reaction.

"The truth really touches nerves, doesn't it?"

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Should I neg her - but don't I need to get better rapport with her first?
Create a strong attraction too?

BTW when she was peed off she blew smoke in my face to which - I negged her some more about how I thought smoking was bad for her. - Geez

The way you tell the story, I don't see rapport happening right now. Save it for a later time. The further negging will create that attraction, as long as you remain cool, indifferent, and layed back.

What I would do...

Speak with the target, set her off, laugh, shake head, go to a woman in close proximity (hearing distance), and point to the target, revealing to the third party that: "I think she's emotionally distraught from having terminal cancer of the lungs. She's a hardcore chain-smoker, after all."

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Or you could simply give up. You've been friendly to her and she has been polite, and gotten less polite each time. You then negged her without any attraction from her which is why she got pissed off.

Negs are one of the things that create attraction. So you just can't "neg without attraction", but you can throw a bad neg.

Before you go and do anything stupid like Galactus bomb, tell me how you negged her. Tell me everything (how the conversation went etc...)!

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Sounds like oneitis.

Look, no gifts, no negs just talk with her. She has her bitch shield up and its going to be next to impossible to break it. she is going to be a challenge, so have a strong frame, be genuine and nice, with a touch of cocky/funny. (sounds like a good recipe).

CK

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Which chino said, although sweet/funny might work better. If u add to much cocky now she will think ur an arrogant arse hole.
You will send the message of "i think i rule" "i think you all suck".

On Monday 8th Sept 2008:
I asked her for her number on the pretence that I had some business I was doing and cause she works for a bank sh could help me out.

She didn’t want to give me her number so I NEged her by saying

Fenway: "Don’t flatter yourselves - it not that I am interested in you" -

She said: What you mean dont flatter yourself.
She looked a bit angry - Her cousin then intervened and showed interests in what My business proposal was.

But I was so fixed on the "have to have" girl that I made so lame excuse for the cousin and concentrated my attention on the have to have girl.

Fenway: We both can make a lot of money that’s why we need to get together for half hour or so and talk

Girl: No thanks I am not interested.


Fenway: Look I give a week to think about it - let me know - and by the way dont flatter yourself I if I fancy "

She looked a little tearful and said
Girl: Want you mean "

Fenway: OK I off and I left.

Have I NEgged her enough -next time should I do Shades push pull technique or Have I blown it altogether.

My intention is to get her to think about me.
How is this as a start, a

Should I meet her next week and get an answer
or
Should I let her get so obsessed about me and play cold?
What should I do next?

You didn't neg her...

You REACTED to her rejecting you and it looked like you were being a bitter little rejected bitch.

Sorry for the tough love but this girl OBVIOUSLY doesn't like you at all.

it's not salvagable so you need to stop wasting your time.

Go meet new girls TODAY!

Go to the openers section of this forum pick one and go open 5 girls with it today.

S

If only you had done what I had told. Your fault. Your loss.

You're still just a "nice guy", Fenway. You're seeking women's approval.

Maybe you'll get it someday. Maybe not.

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no offense bro.
but you played this entire thing out from day one.
you def couldve went an entirely different route to get the number close.
but 1. you were a jerk and 2. you were too forceful with the number close.
tip to fix problem 1.
try to go for more of a cocky funny approach. dont completely diss her. it doesnt work like that. you need to be playful. keep a smile at all times. do some research on some cocky/funny routines and try that out.
tip to fix problem 2.
you need to make her WANT to give you her phone number. it should be her honor to grace you with 10 digits that she can reach you at. dont be too forceful. let it happen. remember. your the one she wants. your the alpha male. your gods gift to women. and they all want you.

keep trying bro.
and if you have any questions ask.
its a video game.
reset. play again.
-GL

Thats your mistake right there, like Sinn said .

Galactus, shut up.

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OK, tip for you don't ask for the numberwhat make you thing she will give it now?, you are beginning to beg that is bad, normally I would say demand a number like "Hey, you know what give me you number, then we can hang out sometime" But you have DLV'ed yourself to the point that you need to build your game up again, don't even mention a number let her give it to you.

Considering where you are now, the next time you see her DONT make the conversation about her or you. Dont even mention going out. The next time you see her, talk to her like any other person, begin a conversation about current events, the election, something funny you saw, or make it up (better be good though). Talk about movie like "That look reminds me of (name a movie character) in that movie, ah, man you know what sucks I still haven't seen the Dark Knight, I need to go see that movie sometime, NEG HERE but you wouldn't like such movies probably not when Heath is all weird, COCKY FUNNY, act like the Joker, "Why so serious?". Man Heath was cool, I still can't believe he died. So what movies do you like? (Complement her choice, but also neg it, like 'the movie good, but I cannot believe that happened)..... so on

This a direct example of what I do to make small talk, adjust this example to your situation, whether she is cooperative or not take everything into account. You can end it with something from the last time, "You know what I meant with don't flatter yourself?" Take her hand, analyze it, palm read whatever, and say something vague "it seems as if you life has taken quite some twist and turn, but you need some time alone'. That said I better go, Ciao".

Continue somewhat like that give time here and there to reply, but if she doesn't reply don't leave time for silences, you need to get a good 1 hour with her to meet her another time, don't ask for the phone number unless she gives it, or you are absolutely certain that she is comfortable with you. Also address the cousin directly, this is your chance to ignore her, and to DHV, because if the cousin likes you then she will like you more. This about you giving people the respect they deserve as a stragner (kind of), and you earning the respect you want.

If something like that doesn't work, give into to your one-itis, move on.
Oh, this is just my opinion, don't take everything for granted, and adjust it to your game, add and remove things. DHV.