In my personal experience, I was brought up being told NOT to concentrate on women and concentrate on my academic career instead. I don't joke when I tell my peers I grew up in a stereotypical Asian family. Up to my High School graduation, everything I did was geared to going to college and making my transcript appeared nicely well polished.

The very thought of getting a girl in my life was mortifying to my parents and I was often discouraged to have any interest, platonic or other wise, with any member of the opposite sex. Though I didn't grow up socially awkward, unlike most of my unfortunate cousins, I had NO idea how to socially interact with women. If we weren't talking about math/science/politics/English I'd be at a complete loss of what to say.

Despite reading all of the "How to attract women" columns in various magazines, I still had it rough meeting and gaining a woman's attention (at least, the ones that I felt attracted to). Even when I was successful in my endeavors, I would be so nervous and so anxious when it came to them getting to know the REAL me behind the routine, I'd set myself up to fail. I'd fake a sickness, I'd ignore calls, I'd avoid conversations. I even went as far as to purposely hurt their feelings to push them away from the fact that I was sexually insecure with my self.

After they'd break up with me, I'd feel a sense of relief because I didn't have to pretend to be someone else anymore, or I'd tell myself. I didn't have to feel bad about myself or brood on the idea that someone else might have expectations of me that I couldn't live up to. This second fact was probably baggage I received when I dropped out of college after two years, something that my family (entire family - aunts, uncles...etc...) did not approve off, and made it their business to let me know.

Yet, at the same time, I felt horribly lonesome and the process would just repeat. I could blame it all on society or my family. My upbringing definitely didn't make it any easier. But, if we were to compare my luck with women with my younger brother, it's night and day. Granted, he wasn't pushed as hard as I was, but his upbringing was similar. Yet, he's a natural when it comes to women. I've witnessed him get a cup of beer dump on him by an HB and an hour later, they were making out like it was going out of style.

If I knew how it all went wrong for us guys, I'd tell it to the world...scratch that, I'd sell it to the world. Lord knows every guy would pay out of his ass for it.

Through all the books I've read and thru personal experiences, I do believe that society today has made men ashame of their masculinity. Even to the point where men should fear their masculinity

One thing that I've noticed about all guys who are real good with women AND happy (no matter what their style) is that there inner game is solid. A good book I read put it best. As men we have two major questions in life. Where are we going with your lives and who will go with us? The problem a lot of men have is they ask the question in the wrong order. Women should never be the number one priority of a man, purpose should. If it came down to a guy who had mastered all the pickup techniques but had no purpose for his life and an AFC who knew nothing about pickup but had a clear purpose in his life that he was committed to, in the long run the AFC would be much more happier with his life, himself, and his mate would.

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Women want the nice guy with bad boy tendencies. While still young, girls want excitement in their lives, but a lot of times your typical AFC doesn't bring the excitement they desire so they look for something other than nice guys.

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Most of our default beliefs are from parents, media, teachers, and such. Our parents may have told us when we were younger that to earn a girl's heart to be poliet, repsectful, educated, and so on and so on. This is totally wrong and full of shit. Most people say, "There's eomeone out there for you." the fact is there's tones of women out there for you! People think of love as a once in a chance - while most of us on this forum know that there's more girl to fall in love with. Some think it's all about luck. I'm lucky to be with this girl! You're not lucky - you made it happen without even realizing it. I had many counselors that say, "It's just luck - you happen to fall in love." I had one counselor that was a total asshole, "Well, your brother happened to buy the girl at a bar a drink and it happened to work out." it's not true!! He didn't just happened to go out with this girl. She saw something unique about my brother that she didn't see in other guys.

Don't listen to those guys that are married or have less relationships and having more relationships are bad and such. They're full of shit and don't know what they're talking about. I had this one guy tell me, "Seduction is dark" it's nothing dark about it. How in the hell did he fuck his wife ? Was it luck? no, either he has no seduction skills, nor dating skills. He happened to fall under the "Hopeless Guy" catagory. Don't be that! Whatever parents, family, or whatever tell you and that isn't right - there full of shit. My mom told me that "Oh, she was just being friendly!" No, there's a line between friendly and damn right wanting to get in ur pants.

Of course over generations things have changed. So, if a girl is flirting with you this means she's interested.

So to answer you question about where did it all go wrong? Well, our educational, family, friends, and others have got their heads up their ass for one. Do what you think is right - regardless of what you think other people tell you is right. You know?

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I got messed up because of my environment. I've always been in between the nerd crowd and everything else. I was super nerdy up until halfway through high school, which left my socially impaired. When I hung with normal people, I was just downright awkward. I am still recovering from that. This time last year people thought I was pretty creepy because I didn't socialize very much. I'm playing a very long game of social catch up.

Oh yeah, and because I didn't get any help with women from friends of family, I just assumed that they way it is in the media is the way things work. I always saw the nice guy in the movies getting the girl in the end. I told myself that if I stayed the way I was and waited it out, I'd get what I want. "Good things come to those who wait." I still don't have any proof that that statement is true.

oi i feel for yea man; i was in the same position untill freshman summer of high school. Then my closest freinds started being dicks to the chicks that they were dating at the time (I mean like they were cheating/beating on them when they didn't do the things they wanted) and i told they should prolly cool it down; they didn't. I played the nice guy and tryed to help the chicks out of the relationship. They turned on me, decided that if they told their bf's they would love them back. My friends then turned on me and told me to go die. At which point i quit hanging out with them and started partying every weekend without those fucking losers and got all the social experience i needed....even tho most of it involves drinking, but w/e.
My advice just go to parties and listen for awhile; that's what i did. Get the feel for what every one's talking about and chime in when you know something. Truth be told most people know when people don't know what's going on socially and as long as you arn't being a total idiot or annoying as fuck they'll accept you. If you really want to speed getting caught up, have one of your friends who's more in the social "know" go with you to parties and introduce you. That way if any one says shit he should back yea up.