Guys,

I need help. I have no problem getting numbers but, no follow through results. Some of the numbers given to me end up the Fake numbers. The others when I call or text a day later I never get any response. I believe that is why I am here to learn that 99% of the time at clubs or bars the girls are induced with acohol that they do what ever and when the acohol wears off..they come to their sense and realise that they should have never given their numbers out. What do you guys think? Can you really have success dealing with grirls at bars and club when they drink?

You can do evertything You wish.

Your game is not good, that is the problem, roughly said. Specially at the beginning You will get tons of #Cs. And also tons of flakes. This is normal.

Do not think in #Cs. Do not take any. Try to kiss the girl or take her home. A #C is jut a bridge, if You can not stay together for logistic reasons.

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Exactly. The real issue is that when girls are out at a club they don't want to meet a nice guy who will call them up and take them out some time to get to know them. They want to get to know you there and then, and if they like you, they want you to take the initiative and take them home. If you can't do that due to logistical problems, then by all means get her number and agree to hook up on "normal" terms. That being said, if you don't take a girl home that night then her social conditioning will kick in the next day and she won't want to meet up with you because as far as she's concerned it was just another drunk guy trying to get in her pants. Number closes are for day game. If you're at a club, you make out with girls and you take them home. Either that or nothing at all. This is a common problem with new guys... I used to go out and I'd be making out with a girl then get her number so I could call her and go out some time because I wasn't sure how to suggest going home together. Live and learn... now I know better, and so will you after a while.

Guys,

Thanks for the replies. This is good stuff..keep the comments coming.

Forget numbers. Seriously. I never touched Number Closes, because like David D. said, there's just something not right about them... they're cursed.

Aim for EMAILS, most specifically WEB MESSENGERS.

Forget #'s.

"What are some steps we could take to continue enjoying this conversation? I got it! Do you have an email? Here... add me to your web messenger..."

Write YOUR email down, hand it to her, and WALK AWAY.

No goodbyes. No smiles or nods. Hand her your email and walk away like you have better things to do.

This makes her go: "...?" And think about how borderline rude it was and unsociable to just end the conversation like that. This can save a Pick Up even if there wasn't a spark between you two when you had that "enjoyable conversation."

Make HER FOLLOW YOU. Make her CHASE YOU (metaphorically).

You'll only wear yourself out like I did with the constant "give me your email" and then you add her, bla bla... it can easily make you come across as too desperate.

And remember... when she's on your messenger list? Let HER initiate the conversation, afterward you LEAD the conversation. Make sense?

Good luck.

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[quote="Galactus"]Forget numbers. Seriously. I never touched Number Closes, because like David D. said, there's just something not right about them... they're cursed.quote]

Yes. I never go for number closes at clubs, at least go for the kiss man. remember the basics, Seduction spot is your best bet i would say. i dont have any cool magic tricks i show the girls i just use a lot of kino after the opener and attraction. Maybe some better peacocking will help out. i used a teddy bear with some balloons not to long ago, worked like a charm. drop a neg or two and they are entranced. The day after i learned about the game i fuck closed a girl from the club. i would get numbers from coffee shops, resteraunts, where ever im at and decide to throw some game at girls. clubs girls want to fuck and forget. my advice, even though im kinda new to the game as well, so far 100% sucess rate.