It happened to me on labor day..

I went down to my apartment complex's hot tub to use the jets to massage a stiff back to loosen up before running and the hot tub was filled with 4 HB's, one dude, and three other dudes just chilling by the tub

First off, both the girls and guys appear to be in their early to mid 20's and I'm 27.. I'm also taller than all the guys at 6'3" and ripped now.. anyhow, I just play it cool because I assume that these are all couples who are also my neighbors.. I already met the guy in the tub and we had a good rapport so I just got in the hot tub and mentioned off hand how i just got laid (i guess that disqualifies me for the girls, so the guys aren't threatened, but at the same time, disqualifying me makes me more attractive to them, or something.. pleez read on)

I'm just making fluff talk with them all. The guys outside of the hot tub are stoned so they don't say anything, just sit there and smile. The dude in the hot tub and the girls are all somewhat intoxicated on booze. The girls seem cool with me at first. They're all about HB9's except for one who's more of an 8 or 7.5. The HB8 instantly vibes me a little bit, but i don't really play into it, just lay back and play it cool, talk to all of the a little, chat with the dude I knew.

All the girls are constantly moving around the hot tub, and the HB's keep on brushing against my leg which i don't pull back from so there's a little prolonged contact, with nothing said. Then the one dude gets out and sits with two others (one dude just took off at the beginning going up to his one of the HB's apartment).

So, now it's just me and HB's in the hot tub. I'm still just playing it cool and leaning back, cause i really did need that jet massage. The girls all together finish off this huge glass of Vodka and something and they all are drunk now. The hottest on just backs her ass onto my leg, but this time she apologizes and says, 'whoa, i totally didn't mean to do that.' I'm still just chilling, then the HB 8 and one of the 9's are in this embrace, and the 8 with a wicked smile, slowly, subtly, carries the 9 over towards me and presses the 9's ass up onto my knee. This 9 then apologizes..

Then they start attacking me. The 9 is like, 'who is this guy?' I just mirror them and ask, 'who are you?' Then i ask if they have any kind of problem with me. She's like, 'no, you're just a stranger,' which actually is a problem cause it shows she's not open to me. Then another 9 feel's my chest hair and says, 'you're chest is hairy, ew' one of the dudes with a hairless chest lights up. I still just play it cool and say, 'yea, well, i can't help my nordic blood.'

They're obviously trying to shit on me and it's not effecting me, then the final HB9 says, 'oh, i met this guy. This guy is gay.. yeah, this dude is gay,' looking back at the other dudes.

I'm completely taken aback that i was just chilling their and that this girl so blatantly just insulted me there. I did meet that girl in particular during my massive bender, so i wasn't at my peak. I said something about punk rock girls, how i used to date them when i was in a band, and asked her if she related to that (cause her style definitely was close to that). She kinda just put me off, but she smiled at the attention at the time. Now this girl just directly insulted my manhood to everyone i had just been completely cool with. So, after a moment, i just say, 'you girls make me wish i was gay' (i still think it's such a clever comeback, it negates any insecurity about my own sexuality, acknowledges that i could be attracted to these girls who probably get sucked up to constantly for being hot, and yet acknowledges that with this shit they're giving me, a secure straight male, is making these HB's look ugly to me, haha).

After that, no one knew anything to say.. then the head HB9 just gave me a smug smile and called me a bitch while obviously showing her perfect body as a symbol of power. I just gave her the finger, not her face, her whole fucking person to show that it didn't effect me, her hotness wasn't making me bow down like a bitch to her.. Then she's like, 'you can't do that, we have three guys behind us that'll kick your ass.' I still just played it cool and told her that I was just mirroring them, which was the obvious truth. The dudes seemed to relate at this point.. at least until the sexual power factor these girls held over these guys could sink in.

That was just too much for me, i lost my equilibrium and wanted to get outta there so started looking around. The dudes seemed to respect me standing up for myself there to these girls, so i asked the guy i knew if he could hit the jets again cause they were off, and he jerked to do the looked at the four witches for approval who all declined, laughing at me. He was just like 'it's a free country, majority rules' obviously making it all against me. Then the HB's get out and, especially the main HB9, start chatting up these guys and i can tell they're trying to get them to fuck me up or something.

So, I decide to get out, which is actually demonstrating power through body language because I'm 6'3", a foot taller than all these dudes, and i work out every day. I just mention, 'I'm flattered, that I get so much attention by just sitting there,' which calls attention to the fact that I didn't initiate any conflict and that there must be something about me that would catch the girls attention since i didn't solicit it. One of the dudes talks to me on the way out and he actually apologizes to me, and i just say something stupid like, 'yea, well, this is why i don't have a girlfriend right now,' which actually is, my ex was a huge bitch.

as im going back into the apartment complex i hear one shouting something at me, so i just say, 'yea, well, why don't you just suck my fucking dick as the door was shutting.' ha, thought it was a good note to go out on, but then as i go towards my building, i cross paths with these same people again. Now, I just smile, because i think its ironic and i generally a positive guy. I open the door for the girl who called me gay and all the girls enter first. They're amused that I'm smiling at them, one HB 9 gives me a seductive smile and her pupils get huge!! and another one asks me why I'm smiling. And very chill, i just say, i don't know, i guess i like when people can talk shit to me, just to show that im not really taking any of it to heart, can take a shit test, and am not the sensitive guy who's hurt by women. I think they were surprised. Then the lead HB9 says she wants to kick me, the others are like, 'no, don't,' she runs up and kicks me in the back of the thigh (which didn't hurt at all, and i actually thought it was kind of flirty, could just be a perception though cause this girl is really hot and all her movements are overly feminine), then she runs back to the elevator and I'm just playingly saying, 'do it again, do it again!'

Yea, so that's my story. That dude I knew walked with me back to my building and we talked a little. It turns out we live on the same floor! and he didn't seem to like that by his voice. I think he was trying to hook up with the lead HB and so his association with me wasn't going in his favor.

Honestly, this story is kinda gay and that girl wasn't completely wrong, my life seems way to gay for me right now. Shit like this isn't uncommon for me, and this shit is totally gay..

I know I'm going to run into these people again.. what should I do, how should I act? Is there any way I can turn this into a hook up with one of these girls, cause I tell ya, the tension is still there? and lastly, did I fuck up here? These girls were drunk... they use that as an excuse for fucking guys with no guilt, can I just turn it back on them as they were fucked up in ripping on me and maybe could make it up to me in some way??

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'you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight' 'see ya around kid'

'high virtue is nonvirtuous'

Cool story...don't get too cocky with that 6'3" and ripped though...cuz you can have all the muscle in the world, but that muscle doesn't fight.

CN,

Are you in fact gay?

No, I desire to fuck women

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'you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight' 'see ya around kid'

'high virtue is nonvirtuous'

They shit tested the hell out of you, which isn't a surprise because you appear to be an intimidating alpha male in appearance and women want congruency in their men, and you bombed.

Don't worry, life goes on. And this is recoverable. Remember, cocky and funny, brush off jabs and insults like soap off your shoulders. Be serious when you get to know them better, and let them know there's a human being underneath all that muscle and charm.

As for passing those shit tests, look at the threads dealing with shit tests in this forum. It's not hard, when girls throw a few at you and see you aren't affected, they'll grow more attracted and you can easily make them qualify to you to speed along the seduction.

P.S. Next time a girl backs her ass into you, not once but twice, do SOMETHING. Either tease her for it, or tell her to "get off". Either one will achieve the same result, increasing her attraction to you. The second one will bring about gay remarks, and you'll learn to deal with those too.

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I'm just isolated man, I got no social proof

My last serious girlfriend pretty much demolished my life leaving me depressed, alone, and then i got overweight

Then, about a year ago, I adopted the frame that i need to take personal responsibility for my own life, not look at others, so i quit smoking, started running every day, started lifting weights every day, a month ago pretty much stopped drinking except for every once in a while (only to celebrate something, not to replace responsibility)

A year ago I was a depressed, ugly, 6'3" fat ass with a depleting game, now I'm not fat at all and I look very good. That's the only reason I say that.

Girls noticed this and I was trying to milk it, but it is HARD to get a girl to paradigm shift you once they have dismissed you in their mind. A few girls I met who initially rejected me that I came back to with confidence reacted harshly, even more harshly than when they initially rejected me!

I've just been taking every negative thing I experience to the gym, and every negative response I got inevitably made me look better .

BUT those people with social status around here see it more as a threat to their own games since the change really is that profound. As some people started to open up to me, others have attacked me, mostly with rumors behind my back, most notably, those groups that include the hottest girls who I've been trying to game.. This has made even those who were opening up to me and starting to give me some respect to back off.

I realize now that I also was behaving poorly, and drinking all the time made me very defensive and reactive to all this since drinking makes you more emotional and it has been fucking HARD to get here

I was actually drinking all day when this story happened for the first time in weeks, which is also probably why it happened the way it did

Just to give you all some context

I figured it out now though.. I'm positive

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'you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight' 'see ya around kid'

'high virtue is nonvirtuous'

Thanks Roads,
that was a very helpful response, made me feel good after feeling shitty about the experience.
i guess the problem was me walking in as the fifth guy into a group of 4 girls and 4 guys, in my mind
if it was just me and the girls, i would have had no problem doing the pick up stuff, but the other dudes there, and them being my neighbors essentially made me hold back
how would you have handled that?

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'you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight' 'see ya around kid'

'high virtue is nonvirtuous'

CN,

Hope you didn't take offense to my previous post which was sort of a "shit test". I just posed the question to see how you'd react. People are habitual and I just wondered if you could have tossed any negativity in their direction. I highly doubt it.

So, here's my take.

No matter what they say, women are turned on by guys who can go out and get laid. All the girls were into you obviously because they were physically flirting with you.

Here's where it went wrong: You didn't respond at all. Emotionally, these hb's perceived you as this alpha "go out and pick up ladies all the time" type person.(You mentioned that you just got laid) Yet, when they played their part to flirt and draw some of your game, you offered them none. Individually speaking, each were embarrassed that they flirted and got nothing in return. So now, they go on the attack, "Who is this guy?" This is really perfect because for a while, you lapsed into a bit of AFC. They thought that they could turn your game on and you showed them nothing other than some mocking bird action. This wasn't about "hating you". This was about "hating themselves" because they failed to start up your sexual engine.

So here's how it could have worked:

As soon as they begin touching, you escalate their advances to draw more sexual tension, "Hey, hey . . . that was really close to the family jewels. Us guys are really sensitive down there, you really could have hurt me . . . " smiling the whole time.

Then escalate further . . . when the hb9 was on your lap for a bit than apologized, "Hey, hey . . . no problems . . . as long as all you do is sit on my lap. I'm very traditional. My momma taught me 'no sex until you get married!"(use a momma voice) - Smiling and laughing. (Some of you may think this is DLV and for many it could be. However, when a seasoned pua says this with all the right body language, it drives hb's nuts)

Of course by then one of the girls will say, "I thought you just told ___ that you just god laid!"

Then you act uncomfortable as if you just got caught in a big lie, "Oh no no . . . oh yes, . . . yes we had sex. But not before we got married. We had a few dates, chocolate, flowers, on the knee, proposed, wedding plan, bachelor party, wedding, then we fucked. Yeah, it was a real long night!"

As of now, the game is still VERY MUCH FULL ON. All three have the "I was soooo drunk" to hide behind.

Next time you see one, DO NOT run or shy away. Approach! "Whoo! That was a wild night! You guys get back to your apt. OK?" as if you're just walking by them and talking over your shoulder for the last few words. . .

HB "Oh my God I was soooooo drunk! Blah blah blah . . ."

Take it from there. Remember that none of it had anything to do with anything other than they girls wanted your attention and they failed.

Not sure what makes it different. I mean the only thing you probably couldn't do is Fclose right there and then. You flirt, flirt, flirt and flirt.

I'm going to go out on the limb here to say that if you actually built enough rapport with one of the HB's there, you probably could have fingered one under the water and she would have been HOT for it. The way you described their behaviors . . . well, these girls were DYING for some excitement in their lives.

If a situation like this comes up, and you have some prolonged touch sessions, you whisper in their ear, "Oh, you're so naughty aren't you?" I know I know . . .you'd think that they would jump up and say, "Hey, you know what this fucker just told me?" - NEVER happens.

Women love to hear that shit. Girls love to be picked out of a crowd. . . they love to feel special . . .and yeah, they love to hear that they can be "naughty". And boy, do they love secrets! They'll do all they can to keep this all of this sensory reinforcements going. Then all you do is bounce back and forth between the "You're so naughty" type whispers and escalating kino.

You know, I just got shit tested for like the first time ever a couple days ago. So i'll share some learning experiences:
- Having friends around who cannot keep their cool is NOT helpful (seriously).
- Having friends who are girls around does help, they will USUALLY stick up for you.
- Being indifferent did NOT help
- No matter how mad or insulted you are, just keep being yourself (hardest thing to do)

So after reading your post. I feel pretty confident that the guys that were too high to care were a bunch of pussies. You had them amog'd from the get-go. So props on that. The girls who called you gay and a stranger were the alpha's of the group. You were in their space (the hot tub) and they were testing you. However, they were testing for as a potential mate. So that girl you saw give you the "fuck me eyes," that one is your way in. If you can get her isolated, maybe in the parking lot one day, walk up to her and open her "You know that friend you were with the other day was really drunk." or something. Make friends with her, maybe get a number close, and don't hang with those girls all at once for a while. They might bring other alpha males who WILL try to kick your ass. Because they will be influenced by the hb9's, and in an effort to impress them... well you get the picture

No, no, no . . . Guys, never ever insult people. There are thousands of different ways to say the same basic message but each of those thousand different phrases will be received differently. Don't lose track of WHY we're communicating. The purpose of this next conversation is to gain her trut/friendship and insulting her friend who she's known for much longer than she's know you is NOT the way to do this.

Guys, read the following few. There is a difference.

"You know that friend you were with the other day was really drunk."
"Whoo! That was a wild night! You guys get back to your apt. OK?"
"Man, you guys drank so much. You always drink like that?"
"Jeesh, you guys can really put em down! I probably would pass out . . "

Look women will push, but they are little girls! They will sometimes become loud to get attention! make her look like a little kid! Be overly cocky and have fun! Take your hand and pretend your her!

Bla bla bla.. you talk alot.. yap yap..

she tells you your a stranger, then tell her you don't get out much do you.. uhu! sure sure.. ye yep yep yep, how do you guys roll with mr fantastic over here! bla bla bla.. blaaaaaaaaaaa blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bla bla!

If she threatens people to hurt you say, hey babe im a lover not a fighter! smile and talk to her friends ignore her, put her in her place! the guys wont fight you for no reason! be respectful and cool to them!

If she keeps yapping put out the elbow and say, "Id tell you talk to the hand but i think the hands had enough too, your down to the elbow!! and the face, gurl, the face is long gone!!"!

and again if she continues, and her friends are liking your negs and your doing it right you can use the ultimate destroyer.

"girl you know your mouth aint for talking"

boom!

If you screw up and you make it awkward and you see them again don’t smile, just ignore their existence and walk by! they had their chance!

Don't say you just got laid it comes off as bragging.

Use the material smartly, calibrate to the situation carefully, and look as if your doing it with absolute ease, if you flinch or let out any energy or AFC your out. But this is a game, you can always play another round! Preserve your ego, and eject when you don't feel it anymore! How you eject is also important..

Say "hey bla bla your talking to me cool, but I have to get a drink, we may pick this up later tonight! it was a pleasure meeting everyone! have a great night guys!". Very classy, very cool and un effected!

Women will call you out, call you stuff, in your case gay.. its a shit test! so you respond by saying "well if i hang out with you any longer.. shesh.. you never know..' and look to her friends smiling like, can you believe this girl!

I have to admit tho, you would’ve hit the queen of the hill that sounds to me like a hb 10 going off on her ego!!!.. hardest set you’ll come across by far! It will Test how you build yourself as a man thus far.

Don't let her feminine energy distract you, don't fall for her if she hasn't earned it. She has nothing on you, your a man your class, full class, you only respond to high quality, high status behaviour.

Good post either way, good read!

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