i cant find this post again, but someone said he read the game but he doesnt know anything anout NLP, im about to finish like the 4th or 5th chapter and he already talked about his expiriance with a "forbiden pattern...
he says he used this thing on a girl, its kind of long to write it right now, and he doesnt give a name for this pattern, but if you read the game you might rememmber it by him telling her to imagane this ball in her chest bla bla bla and she says the color of this energy is purple...
did any of you here tried using it?he said it worked but he ran away just when she took her shues off because it stinked up the whole room!

I was recently privelaged to be offered a course in one of the such forbidden patterns , the OMS . (Note: It was a free 1 to 1 training taken not as a style I plan to use but as a man interested in the psychology involved. Also naturally to increase my knowledge of all things PUA related and so that when it is discussed I can comment on it.) Yes I have seen it is effective but used improperly this can be harmful mentally to women. Topaz in a post you started you mentioned that the game needs to suit the girl and you wanted people to tell you exactly what to say. So I think this would not be beneficial for you to learn, from both yours and their perspective. There is a reason it tends not to be taught by a mentor to just anyone. You also said this in that post
So follow your own advice and grow and learn , good luck.

ok so first of all have you used this pattern with the purple thing??? (how do u call it?)

aboutthe suit the girl, im not sure i explained myself goo enough but what i meant that the game shouldnt suit me but should suit the girl, any girl ,the game should work on any girl!
and i dont get it, what are u tring to say there:"this would not be beneficial for you to learn, from both yours and their perspective"
whois their prespective and whats the connection to the forbiden paterns?hoooooooo i dont understand what is this wouldnt be benificial.

and one last fucking anoying thing!this is exactly what im doing, following my advice, im trying to learn !!

im frostrated from quoting and writing shit i dont understand myself!!!!

topaz....i think your talkin about "the cube" there is a forum about it, it basically helps the pua with a cold reading on the girl, they envision a cube, color, size, relation, then you add a ladder, then some flowers, then a horse and finally a storm they all symbolize something and their answers give them insight into their personal lives and feelings, cube = themselves, ladder = career, flowers = children, horse = relationship and storm = problems, if you read further this was used with paris hilton also, i think thats what your talkin about but i could be wrong, i might browse through the book again and see what happens, i have the lay guide and introducing nlp comin in and cant wait to read those and as far as rules of the game, i didnt find it useful cause i do have good inner-game and it was more of helpin other with the ability to approach, but i think i might go through it again and just push up my inner-game more

yea i got the OMS. send me a pm or add me on aim if you interested.

October man is up on the net now... it's not really so forbidden anymore, the only tricky part is learning it, it sounds pretty hard and needs a lot of NLP experience - kind of like a Beethoven sonata takes lots of music experience to pull off properly.

In10SE has a great manual for the "Forbidden Patterns" but as far as I know, it does not contain October man. It does have the Door pattern, and I know it gets a bad rap, but think if you can use a door (or some other object) to anchor POSITIVE feelings associated with yourself? It's just a model that can be used for other purposes besides making her afraid of doors.

As for which PUA books to get, my list is pretty straightforward:

1. The Attraction Code (Vin DiCarlo)
2. Real World Seduction (Swinggcat)
3. Get The Girl! (Mehow)
4. Magic Bullets (Savoy from Mystery Method)
5. Secrets of Speed Seduction (Ross Jeffries)

All of these books have something unique and powerful to teach you.

Avoid the DYD series or any other overpriced CD courses. The DYD ebook itself is so basic it's not even funny. You could literally think up that stuff in your head without ever going "in field". Also avoid Carlos Xuma unless you have lots of time and money. He's a good coach but spends way too much time on expounding his "alpha man" theory and is too light on actual techniques like push-pull, kino escalation, etc. Also, if you ever listen to his CDs, the guy's voice is very monotone, certainly does NOT come across as "alpha".




And absolutely DO NOT buy any of that John Gray shit! PHD my ASS! That fool's degree isn't even legit! He advocates that same stupid traditional "dating" frame that all the other sexually frustrated pop-culture "gurus" keep spoonfeeding the ignorant masses. Listening to him is like practically begging to get LJBF'd for the REST OF YOUR LIFE.

Part of being a PUA is using your BRAINS and not falling for the same stupid fads as all the chumps out there. Men and women are not from different planets - they both want the same thing which is sex. Don't buy Gray's claim that women only want needy "nice-guy" relationships - the guy was celibate for 9 years and then got married and divorced TWICE! That's a DISMAL track record for a guy who claims to have helped "millions" of people (most of whom were already stuck in toxic relationships anyway).

The forbidden patterns of nlp is not the best place to start. If you cant tarry a conversation then these will definetly look even more unnatural to the women. Im sure they work but most likely in a freaky way, it will be difficult to get the women hooked while running these patterns and that makes the pattern extremely difficult to execute.

The OMS isn't that hard. Just by reading The Game I was able to gather enough to do part of it. The OMS in action or at least part of it is actually in the first meeting between RJ and Style, when RJ closes the waitress who's serving them. However, its no use if you can't hold a conversation.

What RJ does with the waitress is simple anchoring thats all. It isn't OMS.

I have read the OMS and it is basic NLP and hypnosis techniques, it isn't that great.

The problem with Speed Seduction is that you only have one elicitation. RJs elicitation is "what is the first signal you get on the inside that lets you know you are attracted to this person" or something along those lines.

The problem with this, that it is not really conversational and it limits you. It is also a little creepy.

Much better elicitations are;

"You know when you meet someone you really like, you get that certain feeling..."

"What's it like when you meet someone you know you like..."

"how do you know when you like someone? what is your favourite part of that?"

You then anchor this whatever you want, sugar packets or a spot in the air. You can then slide it like RJ does, but you can move this towards her instead of up.

For example, you can say "sometimes it feels even stronger" and while you do that you push the anchor up or towards.

Does this make sense?

Matt

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ESP stands for Extra Sensory Perception. It is similar to intuition, but is different. It is kind like the sixth sense that Ninja's and animals tend to have to tell them when they are in danger.

I can't say that I fully understand it all and I'm not even really sure if I really care either as I am more interested in the psychology of seduction and as to what actually works.

You're right Ross is a Jerk. In fact he is a complete asshole and he freely admits that in his seduction forum that he runs.

His techniques are good and they do have a certain merit to them, but unfortunately he does tend to leave a lot out as he is pretty much in it for the money. He claims that he cares, but that that is total bullshit because the only one that Ross really seems to care about is himself.

David, Mystery and Style are good as well and they all have their applications, but like someone pointed out before it is best to combine all of the techniques as each girl and each situation are different.

The patterns are good, but unfortunately they do not work unless you are able to make the approach, get the girls attention and to create a certain sense of rapport with her. If a person cannot do that, then none of the patterns will work because you have to have proximity first and you have to be able to get her attention and she must be receptive to the patterns by creating rapport with her first.

David D, and Mystery along with Style are good there as David D's techniques can be used to break the ice initially and to get her laughing about something. Once she is laughing and in a good mood, then you can pull out a neg or two and playfully bust her balls a few times and that is good to do because otherwise she may turn on you and revert to being a complete asshole to you that won't even give you the time of day because she thinks that her shit don't stink.

You cannot forget about the patterns though because without the patterns mixed in with fluff it is very likely that she is going to assign you to the friend zone and if that happens then you are more than likely going to get LJBF'D by her and that is not a place that you want to be because once you are in that zone in her mind, then it is very difficult to get out of as she as already determined that she is going to be nothing more than a friend to you and if that happens, then you might as well just weld your zipper shut beause that means that you are not going to get any from her.

Ross does have one good point in that he talks about using romance language in the patterns and that is good because women tend to associate sex with romance and that is why all of the romance novels are so damn popular with them and if you can access that level of her mind and emotions and combine that with the thoughts of having sex with you by anchoring those thoughts of having sex with you back to you, then you will have a friend for life so to speak.

I guess that you could say that it is a lot like dog training and getting that hungry doggy dinner bell look from her is not only important, but also imperative as that tends to amp up her desire for you big time.

I can't say that I have pefected everything as of yet, but I am working on it. I understand most of the concepts, but due to financial difficulties and due to lack of opportunity I have not as of yet really been able to go out and test out most of the theories.

I have been watching myself and been paying attention to the signals that women tend to give and as a result I have noticed that I still have some sticking points that I am going to need to address, but not in this section. Once I can overcome some of those sticking points, then in theory my game should improve dramatically.

All I know is that I did have an opportunity in which I could have nailed a next door neighbor chick that I knew. Everything else seemed to be there between me and her except for the fact that I made the mistake of not applying the romantic patterining techniques. If I had, then it is very likely that she would have fucked my brains out until the cows came home and then some. But I guess that I fucked that up and will have to learn from that mistake and improve upon it some more.

I love that book 'The Layguide'. It is a really good book and it is how I got introduced to Ross Jeffries.

Another book that I like is 'The System' by Roy Valentine. That is a pretty good book as well to read.

OMS is a advanced version of a anchoring, there is your answer, you can literally anchor anything with basic skills and get really creative and if you not carefull you could seriously mess someone head out.

Hmmm.... Sounds like I need to do a little bit more studying when it comes to NLP as that must be one of my weak spots.

Studying the works of Erickson is good too and if you combine his work with Bandler's work and you throw in a little psychology then you have yourself a potential powderkeg going on because anything is possible from that point on.

I dare myself to say that we are treading on some very dangerous ground when it comes to NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis and if we are not careful we are going to get ourselves burned by it as it is some very, very powerful stuff.

in my experience the "door pattern" is way more effective than the octoberman