hey i am a 17 year old guy from australia.
im in my final year at school and like a girl who is 2 years younger than me. we get on real well and i always am cocky funny when i am around her.

the thing is she was my good friends girlfriend around a year ago, and i spoke 2 him about it n he said i can go for her.
i was talking to her everyday on msn for a few weeks but lately i've been trying to ignore her, and then will call her spontaneously tonight, but i know that even when i do see her i won't know when to pull in for the kiss.

so when is the best time to pull in for the kiss? i imagine she wouldn't want to in front of her friends, so maybe take her outside or something?

so 2nite was a total failure.
i was at a friends house drinking and instead of calling her, i sent her sms's.
after a few i suddenly went in with the 'do u wanna meet up', and she replied with 'i think im just going to head home'.
we sms'd a bit more but in the end i sent the last one which was an open question but she didnt reply to.

maybe next week?
is there anything i can do at school? avoid her or pay attention or just talk and walk off?

Hey man welcome to the forum. I don't really know much about your background but I would suggest reading some stuff about the game and apply them on the field. Take it one step at a time. My experience taught me never to ask a girl out via text messages. I'm sure from now on you know it too. You are young brother and that's a privilege. In two years, if you apply methods, routines and stuff you will be a great PUA and you'll be only 19. Start gaming other girls, just to practice your material. And who knows? Maybe she will feel jealous from all your social proof and she'll start hitting on you. But don't do that for her. Do that for you. Don't mind about the outcome. If you have any questions about how to improve your game you can post them in this forum and the guys will help you. But you need to know which parts of your game need help. I don't know where abouts in Australia are you from but you can find other PUAs from Australia in this forum who are great guys. What I want to say is that we are here to answer each others questions about the game. I can't give you any details about how to game this particular girl because I don't know her or the way that you're gaming her. Have fun man, that's what this is about.

You can check out who is from Australia in the appropriate thread.
But as far as I know you have Difference, Impact and myself from Australia.
Whereabouts are you mang?

_________________
- Giacomo
xx

hey Giacomo,
i'm from sydney. how bout the rest of u guys?

Difference and I are from Hobart.
Pretty sure Impact is from Sydney.

_________________
- Giacomo
xx

reset got this spot on. practice on random girls, and you'll get better. hell, you can say i pretty much started by doing that. random practice > no practice at all. dont worry if it goes bad, you will learn from what works and what doesnt work. Being more social and opening your social circle gives you a lot of power to people younger than you. you seem more....powerful, like got leadership or something, expecially at your age level. ask me how i know....i just turned 18 about 6 months ago. so yea, im in the same boat.

but from your post, it sounds like you have self esteem issues. well not issues, but a confidence problem. get yourself to appear very confident around people, and it'll become the norm. on the outside you may look confident and your actions say it, but your brain might be shaking in fear. go for it man!

_________________
...Chiquae's presence was left here...

haha kinda me in a nutshell.

i watched a few things on youtube with style and some other PUA's teaching other people and i think i learnt a few things about the approach etc.
i think i'll freeze the girl out and talk to her friends alot and try make her jealous. maybe cut off connection on msn etc.
i keep calling her when i'm drunk though so it makes me seem kindof desperate. truth be told if i don't call her then i don't possibly know how i can see her on the weekend and then hook up with her.
what do you think?

i am not a bad looking guy, and i am smart and quite funny and outgoing (don't mean to brag), and i do have a high standard for girls. that is why i think i have been with so few, and thus have confidence issues around girls.

_________________
godlittle

freeze the msn thing going. you might feel like you are more confident over the internet, but its just not the same as being in person or on the phone. it makes it seem like you are busy, and your time is valuable, as in not ready when you are.

talk to her yes, but also conversate with her friends. her friends are the ones that choose if you are 'approved' by her posse if you may call it to be seen in public with her and her friends.

call her maybe a day before or the day of you want to do something. make sure you are able to pull her out of her house. be ready to fight about it, and dhv why she must come out with you.

_________________
...Chiquae's presence was left here...

so tonight is a saturday night, and would be the day of the week where we could possibly meet up.
I own a car so i could drive to her house (that is not a problem), but i have no reason to use for meeting up with her or goin out with her that doesn't sound desperate.

any help would be appreciated?

_________________
godlittle

good news fellow readers, i was doing work on my computer for exams when a message came up from the particular girl.
i had been paying less attention to her lately and been talking and being CF alot to her friends.
we talked abit and she asked me what im doing this weekend. i replied 'why do you want to know?'
anyway we talked n she told me shes havin people over tonight and that i should come.
i talked for a minute or so more, but then said that ive goto go do some work even though i obviously don't.

i think i'm in.
when i get there i won't be drinking, so i'll have to be quite confident on my own. what should i say to her to get her alone? 'wanna show me your room?" or is that too corny?

_________________
godlittle

for all those who care, i officially blew it.
after she invited me to her house, i pretended like i was real busy and tried to 'dhv'.
she sent me an sms sayin 'where r u', which i thought was a good sign, so i took my time and eventually i went.
when i got there, there were quite a few people there and she was getting a bit frantic. but we spoke and we both looked into each others eyes. i thought this was definitely an IOI.

time passed and she was talkin about her phone. when i showed some interest in the conversation she said i should come upstairs with her to see her old phone. i thought i was in!! but when i got there, there were a group of her friends sitting and talking on her bed.
as we walked downstairs again we passed a small white board type message thing. the message said 'i love you' and it was from one of her friends. she read it out, and i said 'first you take me up to your room, and then u tell me u love me. whats going on?' playin cocky funny. we then went to a small seperate room for about a half minute but nothing really happened.

night continued and not much else progress happened. her ex boyfriend was there who is also one of my best friends and she chose to sit next to him rather than me.
a fight nearly started outside so everyone went out. i found myself next to her alone from the rest of the group. i used a few jokes etc. and made her laugh.
i think its just that im too shy to go in for the kiss. i dont know what to say.

after a frustrating hour or two where nothing really happened i went to go talk to her friends and make me seem like i was interesting or something. we started labeling the whole house, and the girl i like laughed at this.

i was constantly negging her, but by the end of the night nothing had happened and she was kinda flirting with the ex.
i tried to outlast him so that i was the last one there and we would be able to be alone together, but my dad called me and told me to come home. so then i had to leave, resigining myself to the ultimate realisation that 'my game is lame' and that my easiest chance was blown.

to top it all off, i called my friend; the ex, afterwards to see what he was up to, and he was still there, and i could hear her in the background. this even though he had told me he wassnt interested anymore and i could have her.

what the hell did i do wrong? have i lost her forever?

signing off very pissed off, godlittle

_________________
godlittle

Listen dude, first of all your game doesn't suck because a few negs didn't work to this girl. You're just starting so be proud of yourself and try to learn from your mistakes. Let go of the outcome. The only question you're asking is "Have I lost her forever?". If you tell her something stick to it. You told her you were busy and you immediately went to her place once she sent you a text msg. That shows a weak frame. Anyway, don't think about it. Just try to improve your game. Read the stuff I told you, learn a couple of routines and practice them on the field. Anyone who wants to get good needs to do that. Don't worry about that one girl. I know it may seems weird to you right now but you will eventually understand what I'm trying to say. We are here for you to help you improve your game. Your game is NOT if you'll get this one girl or not. Is how good you become in your relationships with women, and your social life in general. If you have any questions PM me. But make the decision to be good at this. And BE good at this.