There's a hb9 i know that was telling me that some guy called her and she had to call him back later (this was during school). I thought this might be a good time to # close because this girl seems interested in me and always starts up conversations w/ me. I'm a little afraid I might be in the LJBF area. The other thing is that she sort of acts like she has low self-confidence/low self-esteme. What is a good way to # close and whats a good 'first date' for once I get her #. I need to somehow progress and f close her . By the way, I'm a virgin and have never even "dated" a girl before. Please help! I'm open to all suggestions. Thanks guys.

If you think you might be in the LJBF zone, use a statement of intent (wow, I just noticed that not only are you sexy, you're also fun to hang out with!) and gauge her reaction. If you get the LJBF speech, have a canned gambit to handle that (eg. 'I wont promise any such thing. Friends dont put each other in boxes like that. What I can promise is that we wont do anything unless were both completely comfortable, willing and ready')

As for #closing - its not rocket science, 'hey, whats your number?' works just fine

Day 2s - the simpler the better. Invite her to join you and some friends when you're just hanging out. If you want a more private setting, a coffee or a cup of tea in a cafe by your house works great. It has to be close to make logistics on the full close easier, second - I usually leave my wallet at home and then bring her inside, just to pick it up. She only stays for 5 minutes, but when I want her to come back after the coffee, she will have already been to my place, so it's not that big a deal to come in again to watch a stupid video on youtube or see me do a magic trick with a deck of cards I conveniently dont carry around

Any more questions, just ask.

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Is seeing a movie an ok idea for a date? Shes sort of giving me IOIs. My plan is to ask her to the movies and then try holding hands while walking in/out of the movies. Maybe Ill try and kiss close after the movie.

Chief mentioned that he has no problems with movie dates, but I personally view them as the epitome of bad first date moves. Picture yourself in a dark room, for 2 hours, unnable to talk without pissing people off and ruing the movie for each other, without having built enough attraction and rapport to start touching comfortably, yet barely inches away from each other (especially if you have to share the arm rest). That's just down right uncomfortable imo.

Go for something fun, that you can talk during, tease each other about, touch freely and that preferably doesn't cost anything. I like playing Mario Kart, cause you can push each other and try to distract with tickling and then you get into some play fighting, which becomes foreplay. Other games that you can do stuff like that are great, but remember to do other things as well, as variety will increase the feeling of having shared more time together.

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Oh, you're not supposed to talk and piss other people off during the movie? I didn't know that.

Well in that case, fuck movies.

I'm usually just whispering in her ear anyway, and I don't care if other people hear me talking or her giggling.

You know what? I'll make a post on my "movie date game" or something.

Ok. I # closed. I asked her for her # and said I needed to txt her something later. I have NO txt game experience. What should I txt her?

I agree with RYE LEE about the movies, comunication is crucial.

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Yeah . . . the instant date.

Instead of going the "How about a date at such and such place and we'll do this and that route," Just text her during what you would think would be a typical boring night. So instead of "calculating", you come off as adventurous and spontaneous.

"I'm feeling like watching the ____ movie, you should come!"
"Hey, I hear ____ cafe makes a mean latte. Join me?"
"Did you hear about that ____ Exhibit? Wanna go?"
"Feel like shooting some pool? . . ."
Something like that . . .

These texts should be totally non-sexual and fun sounding especially if this is LJBF territory. You want to keep peeling at her defensive mechanisms but in order to do this, you'll need to find a way to get you two together somewhere, somehow. Work on your game. When you are face to face, then you can think about "attracting".

I think there's only 1 of 2 ways here. You go strong with the big balls and Statement of Intent following the "Shock and Awe" style or you go under the radar with plenty of push and pull. Have fun . . . all this nervousness and figuring out is the most fun. 5 years from now, you'll look back and laugh about it. Even 20 years from now, these events will bring a smile to your face.

I would say push/pull. Just because I love it. When you got her number, did you down play it? "I'll call you next time I'm eating cold pizza" or whatever you had been talking about. If you did, that is the perfect thing to open with. The first two texts from you should kinda stick to the subject matter, then you go off to whatever, the good thing about texting is that you can plan your move. Also, don't text her straight back until she is texting you straight back. When you get her reply, have a shower or cook something to eat or go for a walk. I like to leave it about 10 minutes before I reply, and don't apologise for the wait.

Negging in texts is kinda dodgy, unless she already knows that you are a really joking kinda guy, try to steer clear of any big ones. Little ones are ok, see if you can lead them in with a 'haha' or follow them up with a ':p'.

You may want to disqualify yourself from the friend zone as fast as you can. It is a harrowed land, fraught with sorrow. I think the 'not only are you sexy, but you're____' might work well, but after a bit of push pull you can work in sexual connotations if you think they are appropriate, and they will generally consciously want you by then. Instead of the 'not only are you sexy' think, I used 'you're cute and all, but you're not _____' the other night and it worked a charm. She tried to qualify herself to me and I knew I was in.

You'll have to follow it up the next time you see her, as well. Give her a knowing smile or a playful punch and escalate kino a bit. You may want to try the tic tac game or the one where you look at one eye and then the other eye and then slowly drop to her lips as she is talking, and looking at you (and you have sufficient attraction) and then go in for the kiss. That one works really well usually.

But not movies for a first date, you are still building comfort. Try the pool, there is plenty of kino there, and I feel it is a neglected area these days. Tell her you are going to do some laps and she can come (it might be cool to go get a membership card or something that says you go there often, she'll see that and think that there is alot she doesn't know about you). Besides the obvious lavish possibilities, you get to see some TITTAHS.

When you are going for a kiss, or making a pass, DON'T HESITATE. If you are going to be rejected, you can still have backups, there are a few on this site and plenty of people will know them, but if she went to the pool with you, alone, then you are pretty much in. Now she just has to work for her biscuit. SHE works for it, you just guide her to how she works. Got that?

The pool might not be appropriate, maybe a basketball game or even just throwing the frisbee with your dog or kicking a ball. Something that you were going to be doing anyway (or that you can make it seem like you were going to be doing) and preferably make it active so that you can escalate kino and joke around, and also so it can be regulated to about 45 minutes to an hour before you either bounce her back to your house or to an icecream place or whatever is nearby, or say goodbye, heaven forbid.

Good luck dude, and remember, she's just one of the many.

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Wow! Thanks for all the help guys. One more question. Is it a good idea to bring a friend (guy/girl?) on a d2? Also, what are some cool d2 ideas for high school? All I can think of is hs football games, movies, and ice cream .

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