I understand your being honest and nice to them but just introduce your self dont ask makes you sound needy. Been reading this argument on this post and you got my up most respect and I think this is the best way to get over approach aniexty this is just my opinion not just to you but everyone else I think a true mPUA has indirect and direct game down packed. Might start direct then move indirect and vice versa because being direct in a 3 set of hb10's is extremely hard I dont care what you say. I'm new and have bad AA and inner game but thats what I think. Keep doin what you doin man most respect.

-BigLo

This is a really interesting post from my perpsective, certainly as i am from Manchester too. Where do you propose going with these openersthough ? Is it jsut me or would the average Uk female be too cynical to accpet an opener from a stranger?

it does seem cool to not have to remember and apply canned routines. i'll have to work on making more conversation from my surroundings for this to work.

the direct technique almost seems like a way to get warmed up into opening girls, its just more forward then making random conversation with everyone, i have to say i like it and does seem easier for day approaches then indirect openers.

cool

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I'd say that English girls are a bit more hard work than, say, American girls....we are a bit more reserved and cynical as a nation (sadly)....but my experience has been that cold approaches in the daytime can be successful if you're willing to work the numbers and keep going until you do encounter a girl who is receptive to your approach. You shouldn't need to do more than 20 approaches in any given day until you get a girl who's majorly interested....sometimes you'll score within the first 5 if it's a good day.

APPROACH 27, Monday 18th August 2008, Manchester

I was out and about in Manchester yesterday, so decided to try another Direct approach.

I wanted to try an opener where I ask a girl what she thinks about being approached during the daytime, and then simply tell her Directly that I'm out meeting girls and wanted to meet her.

I noticed 2 HBs (1 Blonde, 1 Brunette) stood outside one of the entrances to the Arndale (shopping centre), so I walked over:-

ME: 'Excuse me, can I ask you guys a quick question?....do you think it's socially acceptable for a guy to approach a girl during the daytime?'

HB Blonde: 'Yeah I don't see why not'.

ME: 'Oh right....it's just that most people seem to meet their girlfriends/boyfriends in bars or clubs at night when they're drunk, or they meet through friends, but nobody seems to talk to each other much during the daytime'.

HB Blonde: 'I think that's because people are more confident when they've had a drink'.

ME: 'Yep, well I'm gonna be honest with you....I saw you two and I wanted to come over and say hi....I personally like to meet girls during the daytime....but if I'm honest I also felt a bit shy'. (I got that idea from David X....you just tell a girl you 'feel a bit nervous' or whatever, as it makes you seem a bit more human. Don't give me any crap about it being 'afc'.)

HB Blonde: 'Oh right, that's cool'.

ME: 'So are you guys single then?'

HB Blonde: 'Well....(pause)...I'm not'. (hinting that her mate was).

ME: 'Ok, so pretty serious relationship then?'

HB Blonde: 'Well I've been with him for 3 years'.

ME: 'I bet you didn't meet him during the daytime then?'

HB Blonde: 'Nope! We met at a house party'.

ME: 'See I told you! Nobody ever approaches during the daytime!'.

HB Blonde: 'Haha no but I wouldn't have a problem with them if they did'.

I just chit chatted with them for a bit, but I didn't fancy the HB Brunette, and she wasn't saying much anyway, so I decided to eject.

It actually took me a little while to get started approaching, as I've had a bit of break from Direct approaching lately. But it wasn't so bad. I'm going back out today (tuesday 19th august) so my plan is to do about 5 or 10 Direct approaches and face this fucking fear down!

Also, the approach I did above is basically Direct because I'm being totally authentic....I'm asking girls what their view on meeting guys during the daytime is (as I genuinelly want to know the answer), and then I lay my intentions on the line by telling them I think they're attractive and I want to meet them.

I'll post another FR tomorrow....

i think certainly english girls can be a bit more reserved ive gamed a bit in manchester and i was out in leeds last week. i dont think its a hinderance at all to be honest i think the method of most english afc is very untamed and cold shoulder bitch shield is the easiest way for girls to fight it off.

if anything id say this works into your hands if you approach demonstrating good confidence and with openers that they arent so used to hearing they are more open to being approached

Direct seems to have lost its meaning in this one.
From this approach I would think to myself
1. This person has no confidence in their personality
2. They dont have any standards

I understand directly approaching a girl and saying "Your cute, Id like to see if your personality makes you worth getting to know, I'm (blank). Why dont you tell me who you are? No not your name I mean what your about"
That seems about as direct as you can get.

Although That was damn good. Although completely indirect.
Your approaching a girl based on her looks(or maybe something else)
So you are either
A. Going to say I think your good enough lets have sex
B. You are good looking lets see if your worth talking to.

If you have another reason to try to pick her up let us know

I've enjoyed reading your FR. You have felt more natural and I can feel you're calibrating to these situations to the point of being comfortable. Your last approach #27 came across better; a little more indirect than the "I think your attractive so I had to come over" approach. You have had success with the more direct approaches and I'm sure you know it's because you came across more naturally and congruent. Then you stuck, your feet slipped in quicksand, your tongue smothered with peanut butter...eject!! eject!!! eject!!!, mayday mayday!!!!
Canned approaches are not your thing nor do they make you feel comfortable creating and using them, but does that really mean a little forethought will make you less natural? Isn't the repetitive use of your "you're hot" approach a canned mat?

Sun Tzu said (not konfuseus),

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory."

When you have something to talk about, a comfort blanket to fall back on, improvised material will be more natural. Instead of being direct to the point of asking for the number why not be direct to the point of them wanting...desiring to meet you again and give you their number...
BTW If some random hb10 came up to me and within 30 secs asked me my number for no other reason than she found me attractive, I would refuse. I'd probably also check her out to see how big his hands, feet and adam's apple are.

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"Rather than trying to wrest good from evil, be like a cork that rides the crest and trough of a wave"

Dude, if something works use it, if it doesn't get rid of it. Direct/Indirect, your purpose now is to learn to be direct, but isn't that just a branch of the whole...to P U a girl worth P'ing U! BTW I've been inspired by you Guitar Whizz... I am going on vacation to Orlando next week and will be field testing ideas I've come across from your courageous exploits. Of course along with other inspirations from all you other seduction...attraction...gurus. I've been in the midst of observing my turn to return the favor is coming up.
Happy hunting SARGERS!!!

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I'm a big fan of direct openers...but yours don't sound too good to me.

Just stick with saying you find them interesting..because chances are the girls you are saying are beautiful will porbably have that said to them 10 times a day.

It also comes across as a bit needy when you say she's the most beautiful person you've seen all week that's putting her on a pedestal.

And you eject way to early, even when the sets are going well for some reason.

My 2 cents.

i posted this in another thread... but just wanted to share this here too...
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just wanted to tell you guys, that i have an afc friend who is actually quite succesful with direct game too. funny thing: its totally different than pua strategies. let me tell you about his ways:

he stands next to me trying to be cool all night doing nothing (no sets) and then all of a sudden he points out the hottest girl and then tells me "look at her... she wants me"... (and he actually believes that).
sometimes she even picks up on him pointing at her because he does this in public for everybody to see, but when she picks up on him pointing at her he will just interpret that as "she must so happy now that she found out that she got my attention". then he will tell me : "look at her she's trying to dance extra special for me...girls are so stupid"... he thinks that everything she does is especially for him. (even if she's clearly not in my opinion).
At this point its all a bunch of bullshit of course that he's saying, but this guy ACTUALLY BELIEVES this girl wants him. on top of that he believes in his core that all girls are basically stupid like little children (so in his mind he always has a much higher value than any hot babe, which of course is the way to do it).
then he will make a gesture for her to come to him... 5% of them does come to him, with the other 95% he will just walk up to her after she rejected coming to him (even though this walking towards her lowers his value a bit, he doesnt care because in his mind his value was 10 already and a 9 will be good enough too) and then he'll say that she's so sexy (in his mind he is actually giving her value now... its like saying: all girls are stupid, but you are sexy at least... without really saying that, but framing it like that). i guess the trick is to look in a certain way that she feels that you think "you probably are just a stupid girl, my value is way higher, but.... you are damn sexy though (or any other sexual compliment) and i will give you a chance to prove yourself to me.
after the direct opener "you are so damn sexy....look at you! damn!" , he will go into asking her what else she has going on except this, or if thats all there is to it.
50% of girls will just blow him off (usually the socially inexperienced ones with low buying temperature who get afraid of him)
50% of girls will let him game them (usually the socially experienced ones with high buying temperature).

good things about his style:
- he's honest
- he's in touch with his sexuality... he says whats on his mind "you are damn sexy" (willingness to emote)
- shows that he is already pre-selected by women, because he must have women in his life with whom this style works, or he would have stopped this direct behavior a long time ago by all the rejections (so he probably didnt get rejections, so women probably like him).
- he has standards (he wont just keep talking to her and trying for rapport because she's sexy, he will push her to qualify)
- he is not desperate/needy (like saying "ohhhh you are such a beautiful flower/princess, i have to have you" like an afc), because he comes in with the frame "all girls are stupid children, but at least you are very sexy, thats why i'll give you a chance to prove your personality"

so even though you say she's hot, you are still a challenge, because her being hot is only the first condition for you to be able to test a women further. you are not hiding the fact that looks are important to you!
but if you would say looks are the only thing, then you are just a loser!!

maybe it comes with experience also, you should date a super hot model with 500cc silicone at least once, who fucks up everything in your life because she's a psycho. i've had that before myself and it really fucked me up, but now i'm grown up. once you've had a patient / nut-case like that, you will never be impressed by just looks anymore and it all comes naturally. you should just believe in your core that most beautiful girls are nut cases, but some rare ones are OK. and she should just prove she's one of the rare ones.
But... you wont act like a loser and screen for personality first, thats a waste of time if she's ugly anyway... you are DIRECT... you are an ALPHA MAN... you want looks first (because thats important to you!)... but THEN you screen for the rest too!... because beautiful girls are everywhere!! (especially if you approach thousands).

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also i'm noticing its all about openers here and then you eject, whats the point in that?? even when you hook you eject, because you have no follow up...its all about the follow-up.... with a good follow-up you can even hook when she snubs you (by plowing through)

nice post mate, but totally unrealted but your up and down the country like a flippin post van lol how do u manage that?

Hehe, that's one way of putting it, and that made me smile!

I'm a musician (solo guitarist/vocalist) and I travel all over the UK busking and playing gigs. So of course I also get to sarge different towns and cities. Aren't I lucky

Good points, thanks. Yes I will modify my openers a bit in the way you suggest.

I do eject too soon, even when the set is going well, which is something I'll be working on getting rid of over my next few approaches.

You're right, I shouldn't get rid of things that work just because they're not 'direct' etc. Thanks for this advice. Glad you've been inspired, you could do this too, maybe even better than me, give it a try, you'll face your fears and become a better man in the process trust me.
Let us know how your adventures turn out. And face the fucking fear down!