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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:59 pm 
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hey guys. im 17, read the game, watched advanced dating techniques by david d, listen to his interviews series all the time, and am thinking about purchasing some RSD gear, but, and heres the biggy: ive never approached anyone. it sounds pathetic, i know a load of this stuff inside out, i just cant talk to girls on the street and stuff. i know it doesnt matter about looks but where i hang out, i cant approach someone and never see em again. i always see the same people day in day out cos its all the same old shit round here. i cant really go any further afield SPAM, but does anyone know anything for guys who are quite a bit below average looks to boost their confidence and self esteem. also, does anybody have any info on thundercat's material and john alanis's stuff? these are both quite unattractive guys, but they know what theyre doing. if anyones got any rapidshare links or megaupload links thatd be awesome. not that i endorse filesharing in any way javascript:emoticon(':roll:')
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haha, but yeh anyway, if anyone can help me. btw, sarging with others is not an option, my natural friends just wont do it. please help guys.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:05 pm 
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I'm going to say this as nicely as I know how to say it. If you have truely heard all the material you say you have, then you weren't listening. You're not taking the time to internalize it. Being able to cite routines in the comfort of your home is a lot different that doing it in person. You need to grow some balls and go approach! This is like the difference between a guy that plays a flight simulator video game and an actual pilot with combat experience.

The last thing you need to do is clutter your mind with more material. Learning more stuff isn't going to make it any easier to approach. IF you've been "listening" to the material you'd know that. You just have to work and plow your way through opening some.

Start small if you need to. Start just making idle conversations with people to warm up if you need to then make some approaches. You're going to have to break yourself out of this learning cycle you've put yourself in and get in field.

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Its easy to tell someone to grow some balls and just do it but AA runs deeper than that. I agree you don't need more material. You're intelligent use your own mind what u need is a plan for your approaches

Read the article in this link this well help rid you of your AA
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i cant really go any further afield SPAM, but does anyone know anything for guys who are quite a bit below average looks to boost their confidence and self esteem.
When I was a little younger than you I had extreme self esteem problems. At first I grew my hair at a time when few people in the school would dare. Then I dyed it a variety of colours before settling on black. During this (low-level) peacocking process, I was given a LOT of compliments by strangers, which slowly but surely helped me become more confident and actually start talking to people.

When I grew that little bit older, I began trying various hair styles - again, garnering more compliments from strangers and boosting my confidence further. At the same time I started developing my image from the "young kid going through stereotypical alternative look" phase and begun to make it my own, I'd buy outrageous clothes and wear them at any oppurtunity. Basicly, peacocking.

Now since you've got a lot of material already, this may seem irrelevant. But what I'm trying to address here is your self esteem problems. I'm not saying "You should go alternative, it'll get you laid!", but heres my advice to help your self esteem, it might make you feel stupid but it WILL work...

What you need:


Eyeliner
Variety of wigs (lengths/colours)
Digital camera/webcam
Mirror
Make-up removal wipes
Internet connection
Social networking site accounts
A day where you have nothing planned.

Optional:

Straighteners
Hair Gel/Hairspray/Wax
Mascara
Eye shadow
concealer
Foundation suitable to your skin tone

What you do:


STEP 1 - Make up

Once you've gathered your supplies, sit in front of the mirror and start applying your make up. Start simply with a thin line on your bottom eye-lid. If you feel it doesnt quite work, attempt to put a thin line all around your eyelids, this should make your eyes stand out more and will attract attention. If you're happy with how you look with the eyeliner, DONT make it any thicker. If you think you could do wish some more, do it subtly. Try to avoid becoming a panda :)

If you bought the optional supplies, apply the foundation first if you want to hide any acne or freckles.

NOTE: Make sure that the foundation is suitable for your skin tone, this means going to a beauty shop where they sell these supplies and asking for some assistance with choosing the foundation. If they are any good, they should offer to help you test some free of charge.

After you've applied the foundation, then put the eyeliner on as explained above. Then apply any of the other optional supplies in moderation if you feel you need it.

Step 2 - Hair & pictures.


At this point style your hair using your straighteners first (if your hair is long enough to be clamped - use them!). If you like how your hair falls after you've straightened it, this is where you bring your camera into play. However "emo" or whatever this might sound, start taking pictures. Typical myspace poses are a start, but mainly try to get a decent head shot from a good angle. Try as many angles and poses as you can, the more choice you'll have later on - the better. Once you feel you've taken enough pictures, put the camera to the side.

Now you make a decision: Do you feel you could style your hair in a different way? If so, change your hair then repeat the camera steps. Next, you move onto the wigs. Try not to get outrageous colours, because if your self esteem is incredibly low, I think it's unlikely that you'd impulsively dye your hair bright pink and go out into the wide world.

With these wigs, simply rinse and repeat the process above, but experiment with each wig and take plenty of pictures as before.

Step 3 - Putting yourself out there.


Begin uploading your 100's (should be no exaggeration) of pictures to your computer. While it's busy uploading all of the pictures, sign up to various social networking sites (create new accounts if you already have one - these accounts will be solely for the purpose of helping your self esteem). Get a popular or stylish layout and then begin filling in information. Try not to post anything such as your email or msn address (for the moment at any rate), and just fill it with general info. (Use a nickname, just state which country you live in, be as non-specific as possible.)

Once they are up and running begin adding random people. It'll be even better if you target people within your age range, regardless of location. The main people you will want to add to make this all worthwhile will be the vanity competition sites. Sounds silly, sounds hopeless. But trust me... It'll work.

Once you've added these sites, continue to add everyone on the vanity fair friend lists. These are the main people you're hoping to target.

Right. So you've got your accounts sorted and your pictures uploaded, now it's time to start selecting pictures and hairstyles that =YOU= like. YOU. No-one else. Even if you're incredibly hard on yourself I can guarantee there'll be at least 1 photo with every style that you'll like and thats great, because that's all you need :]

(OPTIONAL STEP)If you have photoshop, you can run your chosen pictures through that. Look online for tutorials on how to apply makeup via the use of photoshop and then simply go over your eyeliner. Dont try and liquify or blur any of your skin. Trust me, you'll reget it in the long run. At most, find a tutorial on how to change your eye colour and try various colours.


Step 4 - Time to jump

Once you've got your pictures ready, upload them to your various profiles. This is where you need to jump. And it WILL work to some extent.

Start posting bulletins about how you've just uploaded lots of new pictures where you've been experimenting with different styles, you want to decide on a hairstyle, you're wondering if makeup looks good on you. Use any wordplay techniques you may have already learnt.

Hopefully you'll start getting feedback. If someone starts chatting to you, be polite, get talking to them. It's far easier to do it online that in person. Just try not to hit on them too much, remember, this is an experiment to try and help you. If you flirt with everyone who shows you some kindness, you'll scare them off and it's all for a waste.

But yes, you'll begin getting feedback. People may say that the make up is too much, they may say it makes you look fantastic! People may disagree with certain hairstyles, but love another. Take it all on board, and dont take it personally.

Do this for a while until you're buzzing from the compliments you've been giving. Then, you need to jump from a little higher... Enter the competitions on the vanity fair profiles. They might accept you, they might not. If you are accepted, you may do really well, you may not. But if they do accept you remember - You've done all this to help your self-esteem issues, not to win a competition (but if you do its a bonus). If you dont do so well, keep in mind the people who usually enter those competitions do so religiously. So getting accepted in itself is fantastic because of the sheer volume of people who apply for the competitions.

Notice that I'm remaining positive with all the outcomes? This is the attitude you need to have. This is all an experiment for your persona.

Step 5 - Leap of faith

After all the feedback you'll eventually receive from the online communities, you should be beaming. There should be a spring in your step and why shouldnt there be? You've taken a chance, you've tried out different looks that you like and people have reacted positively! You're on fire!

Now. Time for the leap of faith. Find the picture that had the most positive response and replicate it the next time you go out. Dress accordingly with the hairstyle. You dont need to go out sarging, you could just go to a social event. And when you're out, dont forget how great you're still feeling from the acceptance online. Let that fuel you. Talk to your friends, ask them what they honestly think of your look. If a stranger compliments you, thank them and try out a conversation.

This is the final step, and at the end of it - your self-esteem should have blossomed. You can choose to try other hairstyles when going out too, try and find your centre. Then, when you go out sarging you'll feel great about yourself. You wont be this "under average looking guy" anymore. You'll just be you, and you'll like it.

I hope this helps you good sir. It helped me and several friends who I encouraged to do the same. Now, am I 100% happy with my appearance? No. But I do occasionally get asked to do some photoshoots as an alternative model (something I've been doing for two years now), and that , if nothing else, tells me I've done something right. I hope it works out for you.

And also, do yourself a favour. Stop thinking of yourself as under average looking. Kill that thought. It's a load of bollocks.

OH! And dont forget to maintain a positive attitude! :D :D


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:08 am 
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Gonna give ya good pratice tip that is golden. For those who are new to the game and are lacking a bit of confidence, take the material that you've learned and first try them on Hired Guns (waitresses, store clerks, sales associates, etc.)

Hired Guns are great for practice because they are getting paid to pay attention and by practicing your material on them you will be able to calibrate your interactions and build more confidence.

This is how I started and it is fairly quite easy to charm Hired Guns, and if you can learn to charm Hired Guns, you can charm ladies in any environment.

If you're still in school, practice game in school and in class. If you work, practice there...just keep it a bit toned down. Practice on any female, regardless of HB whatever when you first start out.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:35 am 
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u have so much material, try it out.

so what if u get regected, i promise u if u throw some lines at least one fish will bite.

Plus stop saying ur not a good looking kid, hit the gym, lose some pounds, change up ur hair style and clothing, check out gq.

Build up ur convidence and dont say that shit about urself anymore. If u show urself as being the man then fuck it ur the man.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:38 pm 
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Yeh...stop reading things. I think the last thing you need is to read more stuff when you can't even approach and clutter your head. Tbh you may really need a bootcamp or like smooth says GROW SOME BALLS. lol
Seriously this is all about self improvement and if you want to change your self for the better, you need to want it that much.
I dont really mean to sound really harsh but just do it.


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