Ok well I only sent this message late last night to a HB8.5 (too good for 8, not enough for 9) and she replied early this morning and looks like she could be hooked. I have no real clue with online game so let me just run this by ya. Reads from bottom up of course.


Sorry, my bad. Lol. Usually when people add me I wait for them to talk to me so I don't make myself sound insane...a bit like this =)
Hey =)
x

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ..Dave..
Date: 13 Aug 2008, 04:24


Are you shy or something?


Now bear in mind that I did NOT send her a friend request, this message and that's it. The "=)"s seem a good sign and also I can't tell but is she qualifying there? Explaining why she hasn't messaged or something.
I'm thinking of sending this as a reply:
"Woah now, don't get ahead of yourself here, I havent added you yet, gotta make sure you aren't gonna be some crazy stalker first And yes you should be sorry, afterall I've been on this myspace thing for quite a while now and you havent even said hi! A bit rude don't you think [would that be appropriate though as she said "hey" at the end, could backfire]"
I know I need something at the end there aswell, not sure what to do though.
Any advice appreciated chaps.
Musterion

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I'd say Positive but not quite Hooked yet. I like your follow up, looks like you're incorporating Lovedrop's Shy Opener into online game, nice!

-Don't come back down on her too hard. She apologized and qualified herself and is being really friendly. You could very likely come off as a rude asshole. The winks are definitely gonna help, but I would drop the "woah now" reaction and just say "Well I haven't added you yet goofball, gotta..."

-She uses LOL which is a good sign. If she likes to laugh I'd throw one of those in your reply to keep up the fun vibe.

-if you're worried about it backfiring just change it to "and it took you this long to say hi!"

-end with an easy, simple qualification question. Something fun that she will most likely want to reply to. For example: "So I'm curious, what's your number one most awesome superpower?"

So the entire thing would go something like:

Well I haven't added you YET goofball!...gotta make sure you aren't one of those crazy internet stalkers first And I TOTALLY agree...you should be sorry! lol. after all I've been on this myspace thing for quite a while now and it took you this long to say hi! A bit rude don't ya think So I'm curious, what's your number one most awesome superpower?


Good luck!


V

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Thanks Vapor, some very helpful tips there. I'll make the reply shortly and keep updating the thread.

EDIT: I saw that ending you suggested in "Mysterious-Mind"s thread Vapor and I think it suits my personallity more, also she has quite a few pictures of herself with different hair colours so it makes sense lol.
Anyway here's my response:
Well I haven't added you YET goofball!...gotta make sure you aren't one of those crazy internet stalkers first
And I TOTALLY agree...you should be sorry! lol. after all I've been on this myspace thing for quite a while now and it took you this long to say hi! A bit rude don't ya think
So I'm curious...what would you say are your 3 best qualities? ...and don’t say your ability to spontaneously change hair color! lol
Dave
Hopefully after the response I won't have to ask for more help, I wanna keep it as much from outta my own head as possible.
Thanks

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Cool. The reason I suggested the superpower qualification question instead of the 3 qualities one is because you haven't built up enough attraction to motivate to answer a "Level 2" question like the 3 qualities one. The superpower question is an easy Level 1 qualification question which doesn't take as much thought to answer. The more effort it takes to answer the question the more attraction there must be, otherwise she's not gonna bother.

So this is a good test because if she answers the 3 qualities one then you KNOW she's definitely hooked

V

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I see your reasoning, will keep that in mind in the future. Ahh the heck with it, why not live dangerously eh lol. Judging by her profile she seems the talkative type so we shall see what kinda reaction we get.

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Hell yeah, if your gut tells you that she's interested enough to where you can get away with skipping level 1 qualification then by all means do it!

If she doesnt reply you can always re-open her a week later with a Re-Opening message.

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Ok we have the reply. Looks like I was right with my read (I say read because I'm an avid poker player, came 3rd out of 1012 in a tourney last night so must know how to read people somewhat lol) anyway enough bragging about that. Here is the response:

Ooooh! Sorry! I don't really browse people on MySpace =P
Dammit! That is my best quality! =P
Ermm okay well I guess I'm quite strong emotionally...that's good =P
I can laugh at pretty much anything, even myself. Most of the time that's the case. Ha ha ha!
And ermm...I don't know! I suppose I'm optimistic when everything's shit =P
So yeah =D
Same question to you then, seeing as you've made me think. Lol!
xx

As far as I can tell, this looks pretty good, for start off I got an extra "x" at the end, woohoo lol nah but that can't be bad anyway. Again she starts off with "Sorry" and answers the 3 qualities question positively, qualifying herself. Once again lots of =P and =D which I think shows more interest, maybe now it's a hook?
Now with this response I am a little stumped on how to begin it, though I think ignoring the start and saying something about her answers would be best course of action. As for after the beginning I think if I describe my best qualties (not sure if this would be jumping through hoops and qualifying myself though) it could be a good time to DHV with maybe some C&F thrown in aswell to keep the playful SPAM i.e "I am a musician, I try to (maybe leave out "try to", show more sureness) make the best of every situation that comes my way, and finally I can read minds =P(mirror her emotes, a plus?)" I could also use the read minds thing when I eventually meet her and can run the ESP routine on her. As for the end I was thinking of going for an MSN addy close with "you know what this myspace thing is too slow, what's your msn addy? much easier to talk on there." Or a better way of closing than that lol.

Let me hear your thoughts, again like I said this is my first online sarge so I wanna be able to see every step if possible.
Thanks guys.

P.s Vapor, what are these "Levels" you speak of and would you be able to give a demonstration/example of each type of response (maybe a type of message that requires each response aswell unless that is too much to ask, no worries if it is)

EDIT: I forgot to mention, she replied to my message as soon as she read it, I know this because i was on myspace, noticed she hadn't been online since the last message, logged off, 15 minutes later I logged on again and the message was there in my inbox and her last login set to today (well obviously). Instant reply to read is a nice IOI me thinks.

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lol I love how at the end she says "seeing how you've made me think" when that's exactly what we were just talking about with the different levels of qualification questions and the amount of effort/thinking required to answer them.

This is your first online sarge? Okay, WE'RE getting you the # close, I promise. Just follow my lead...

The biggest IOI in her message is the fact that she asks you the question back. So here's what I would do. Again, following the model I use (Matchbook Method Messaging Model)...

Acknowledge Her Reply (in this case reward her for complying with your qualification question AND answer her question back to you)

Spike Her Attraction Temperature (you can do this in your 3 best qualities answer by being Cocky/Funny, using Push/Pull, being mysterious, etc. Or you can start a new thread and run an Attraction Story, Future Projection, etc.)

Qualification (in this case I would skip a heavy qualification question since you just asked her one. A little one is fine. And maybe let your attraction bit carry you home at the end instead of the qualification question.)


That's awesome you admit you're a complete goofball...don't worry, I wasn't gonna tell EVERYONE ;) I don't have qualities as much as superpowers. One of my superpowers is of course my ability to spontaneously change hair color! lol. Oh, and did I mention being able to pronounce the word "island"...you don't say the "s"...but shhhh, don't tell anyone I told you. lol. Others include trusting my instincts and my kickass adventurousness!

Are you adventurous? because we can't be friends if you aren't! lol omg you know what we are gonna do? I'm gonna dress up like a priest and you're gonna dress up like a nun…and we are gonna go out to public places and sit down, and when people are watching us, we're just gonna lean over and start making out and people will be like "WTF?" but we won't care because it will be so fun!



Let me know if you have any questions. Good luck bro!


V


btw....the attraction bit I used is a well known Future Projection and is field-tested.

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Yes Sensei lol.

Well, even though I said I wasn't gonna do this I can't think of anything at all to change in the message you have laid forth for me, so I'm gonna trust in sensei, copy and paste lol. I know I know I'm terrible, but lets see shall we. I think once I get a # close or IM close I'll be ok, I mean before this whole PU thing I hooked a couple of HBs with text game and IM game (without knowing anything about it) just when it came to the crunch and the K-close etc my balls took a train to "see ya laterville". Not happening again lol.

Thanks Vapor, you are now my guide in this strange online world lol.

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I'm not a big fan of IM, but if that's the route you're comfortable with and prefer then go for it. You'll be able to get her # after this next message probably.

I used to try and transition to Instant Messenger this all the time…it was my standard way of progressing the conversation. But now there’s really no point…


8 Reasons NOT to Transition to Instant Messenger

(This is by Action Jackson, not me)

1) Texting has gotten so popular that it’s essentially become the new instant messenger. And for our purposes, it’s better.


2) You don’t have to deal with all the different kinds of instant messenger…maybe she uses AOL, MSN, Yahoo, etc. (although there are programs that incorporate all of them into one.)


3) You don’t have to wait until she’s online to talk to her.


4) With texting, your phone number is stored in her phone, so when you take the next step from texting to calling she’ll recognize your number and be much more willing to pick up.


5) EVERY girl has a cell phone with texting these days...but not every girl has Instant Messenger.


6) If you use MbM techniques exchanging numbers is just as easy as getting her instant messenger screen name.


7) Just like getting stuck in the Friend Zone, you can EASILY get stuck in the IM Zone. Some girls are very comfortable talking on IM...it's their comfort zone. If you get stuck in that zone it can be very difficult to get her number.


8) It's STILL cyberspace! Sure the two of you are talking back and forth in real time, but it's still in front of a computer...it's still cyber land.


Let us know if she replies.


V

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All very good points man. I'm not MORE comfortable on IM than phone, but not less you know.
Anyway we have a reply:

Oh my that's so excellent it's unreal!
I love a bit of adventure me
Thanks for the island thing, I was beginning to wonder why people were staring at me weirdly...=|
=P
xx

Here I'm not so sure about what's going on lol. I'm thinking start a new thread in the next message, something to do with her interests (she plays piano, i play guitar, something to do with music perhaps?) then go for the #-close in the message after.

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Yeah, I agree. Do this one on your own. Make sure to put a qualification question at the end to give her something to reply back with. And keep the message fresh,....don't go "boring/cliche/afc" on her. Use some push/pull teasing, etc. For example, before you go into your new thread you could start out the message with: "Lol you're so adorable...kind of."

Keep us posted!


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Ok here's my reply.

Haha you're so precious, kinda. I bet you're one of those girls my mother warned me about.
I just noticed you play piano, how bad are you? That's still pretty cool though. Play guitar myself, not enough people learn to play instruments these days, so fun to be on stage though, even when things go wrong lol.
So what did you wanna be when you were 5?...and dont say princess!!
Dave

Just so you know i've already sent it so no looking back now lol.
For the beginning I applied the push/pull as advised. I the middle a little push/pull again with a little DHV (i play guitar), with the "not enough people...." comment this is something I have noticed in people that play instruments specificly, if you say that to them usually they are like "hell yeah you're right more people should" something along them lines. At the end I think I implement another little DHV mentioning that I have/do played/play on stage and that I have a good time whether things go wrong or not. At the end I just went for the first qualifying question I could think of, I think it'll do the job though.
Should also mention that she sent her reply 2 days ago, I went on yesterday, read the message and logged off, so she has seen me read her message and not reply immediately, I think this mini freeze out could help aswell.

So how was that? Have I missed anything out or has something I put down not gonna imply what I think?

Thanks

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It'll be interesting to see what happens. You conveyed what you wanted to. If she replies we'll see how much she writes...that's usually how you tell if her interest has dropped or not.

Oh, and it's impossible to know whether she checks her sent messages to see if they've been read. High-value girls usually don't bother with that like we do. I agree though it's a good idea to read it and wait to reply...it creates suspense.


V

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my pname says party x to rosarito in 11 days... so im assunming she meant shes heading out there in 4 days... was this a good follow up of C&F?? what should i reply with?





Lol. . wait 'I' take u to dinner? nice one:)

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ..party X to ROSARITO IN 11 DAYS!!!..
Date: Aug 18, 2008 7:12 PM

wow 4 days until you take me out to dinner... you move pretty fast! haha

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ..♥ One Of A Kind ♥..
Date: Aug 18, 2008 7:02 AM


Lol. . duh.. PeRsONaLITY 4 days:)

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From: ..party X to ROSARITO IN 11 DAYS!!!..
Date: Aug 18, 2008 6:42 AM

pretty cute... but seems like every other girl out here these days is beauty.. whats makes you different from them??

Dont think TOO hard.. =)
-X