So this wasn't a sarge in the traditional sense because it lasted for several hours, as opposed to only a few minutes.

I was to meet up with a friend of mine and a bunch of her colleagues from work. During the evening (which lasted a few hours at a bar & grill) I met one of her friends. For the sake of rating I'll classify her as both an HB7 and PA3/MA5.

First thing she said when I sat down at the table was that she loved my hair. My hair is probably my best physical feature (as feminine as that may sound lol), but women, I've noticed, absolutely love it.

I chatted it up with the HB7 and talked to her about work/school at first. It is my opinion that most people don't enjoy talking about work or school when in a social situation, so I tried to change the subject.

I asked her for her opinion on something, and told her the story about a friend of mine I was trying to help. He was stuck in the friend zone with a girl and couldn't figure out what to do. I wasn't sure what to say to him to help him out, did she have any advice? I noticed that the other people (guys included) who sat with us tuned in, because they were interested to hear what she had to say. She gave her advice, but after that there was a bit of a lull in the conversation, so I turned back to talk to the friend who invited me.

I decided to strike up another conversation with the HB7, and commented on her pendant (which was a key hanging from her neck). I asked her if there was a story behind it, and she told me that it was the key to her heart, to be given to the right man. We talked a bit more, and I told her that I wanted to get a chain (I meant buy one). She then said, "Did you want this one? I could give it to you." Not sure if she was joking or serious. I laughed and continued on with the convo.

Additionally there was a cockblocker later on in the evening. He tried to chat it up with her, and introduce some mild kino (tapping her on the back of her leg with a pool cue, very light stuff). He also showed a few pool tricks, his own form of DHV. So I decided to escalate my kino, and got closer to her when talking to her. Put my hand on her back, and nudged her playfully from time to time while playing pool. One of the girls there, while the HB7 wasn't listening, told me that I should totally get her number (possibly she saw that I was gaming the HB7, or thought that there was something mutual, not sure). She also (jokingly) told me she makes a good wingman lol. The damned cockblocker made it difficult though to get the HB7 alone. Eventually as the game wrapped up and it was time to leave, I noticed that the cockblocker was going to try and offer to drive the HB7 home. The HB7 had come with a friend, and her friend had, in turn, managed to cockblock the cockblocker lol, and denied him the opportunity to isolate her by driving her home.

I commented on the HB7's fingers, which were long and slender, and asked if she played an instrument. She told me she did - that she composed music and painted. When I told her I played the same instrument, composed and painted (all of which is true, they were not lines), she immediately rubbed her collarbone, and I *think* her eyes went a little glossy. I think. Unfortunately I couldn't figure out a way to get her number until AFTER she left.

Despite the cockblocker, however, my friend (with whom I arrived that night) sent me a text the following day, telling me that the HB7 thought I was really cool, and that she wanted to come clubbing with us next weekend. At that point I will definitely get her number - so, while I failed this first night (this was my first ever sarge / attempt to put my knowledge into practice), I seemed to have made an impression and gotten a 2nd chance.

So - thoughts? Ways to improve my Game? Suggestions for the next time I see her? How does one maintain a conversation during exceptionally long sarges like this? How does one avoid lulls in conversations? And how do I segue into DHV routines like cold readings and such? I managed to demonstrate higher value and forge an emotional connection at the same time by telling her I share her interests, but I find that to be mostly luck for this case. I'd rather not have to lie in later attempts. I would also appreciate anyone pointing out possible IoIs, because I have a tough time picking them up, and telling what's an IoI, and what isn't.

Sorry for such a long post. Looking forward to the comments!

Q.

I'm still new to this as well and I have not had much luck mainly because of lack of preparation before going out. One thing that might help you when you have uncomfortable periods of silence is to have a routine ready that you pull out just for those instances.

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You come off quite technical – which usually gets you looking out for IOI and actively working towards DHV. Let go a little bit and enjoy yourself rather than trying to make sure you’re doing things right. If you ask me, there was enough going on there for you to # or k-close …

It's funny/ironic that you think me technical, because you are right to do so. That's probably one of my downfalls / weaknesses that I am trying to root out on my journey to becoming a PUA. I suppose I feel more confident if I have a plan and a focus that keeps me on track. Most people say that The Game is linear, so in my readings / training, that is what I've grown to believe.

How might you have approached things? Where in there do you think it might have been a good opportunity to k-close? I'll definitely try and let go, and loosen up a bit more next time I see her. But still, don't want to make an idiot of myself by not taking note of the signs (or lack thereof).

Q.

Tonight was my second night sarging with my new set of skills (read the game in one night. lol) Had to over come a lot of the same stuff, especially the cockblocckers. Here's my advice...

First, Good Cat is right. Having a routine ready for when the conversation lulls is my whole tactic. Yes the Game is linear but I hold that loosely in my mind. I classify some of the routines as further comfort and some as approach. Marry, fuck, kill game is definitely approach. The cube cold read is definitely comfort. Tonight was my night two (I classify it as night two and not day two because we happened to be going to the same bar that night and she asked me if I would be there) with a HB8 blonde. I had to AMOG three guys, one of which was her ex-boyfriend (lol the look on his face was priceless). Here is how I deal with cockblockers. Befriend them immediately. If he says something, agree and laugh with him. (Most likely it will be something somewhat funny because he is trying to get with your girl.) Right when you get done laughing, ask what his name is. Then ask a question about what he said. When he starts repying, wait until an uninteresting part of his AFC answer (bout 20-30 seconds) and cut him off by launching back into the conversation you were holding with the HB. Works every time. And I was actually complimented later by the HB on how I handled it. Money.

Here is what I would do next time you see her. Ignore her. Square one brother. My HB8 said hi with a hug when she walked in and in an hour and a half I went over and talked to her only twice and briefly at that. Here is some text game I spit at her.

Me: There is a cute guy sitting at the bar.

HB: Tell him to come over.

So I walk over there but she is being boring. I don't tolerate it. I walk away. 40 minutes later...

HB: Where are you?

Dont get me wrong. I was sweating trying to think about what I did wrong and what to do next. But I played it cool and she came back to eat out of my hand. Do this to that girl. Spit a tiny bit of Game when she first gets there and ignore her after that until you get IOI's. She will come back around for sure.

As far as ways to segue into cold reads, something I used tonight is to wait until a lull and then tell her that you forgot to give her fair warning that if she hangs out with you tonight, she might learn some things about herself she didnt want to know. lol Chick crack. Word for word what I said to HB8. She wanted to know more. Then run the cube or another solid cold read. It leads to some EV that you can always use to run with for further convo.

If you have difficulty reading IoI's, use things that allow you to test and have a list in your head of things she might do that are IOI's. High five hand hug. (They think its really cute.) Be technical but let it flow too. Keep the conversational pace.

Didnt mean to turn this in to somewhat of an FR but I hope it helps.

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Hey qclass,

I am in a similar position to you, And i too was getting into trouble by over analyzing my game whilst in the middle of it. I try now to keep it in the back of my mind rather then at the forefront and focus more on the girl I am talking to. You will find that you will notice something like a clear IOI, and you might get thrown off by over thinking about what you are going to do next once you receive it. I take a natural approach to conversation and just slowly escalate it, whilst keeping the info in the back of my mind and this has helped me alot. Conversation will always die if you think to hard about trying to continue it, if you just let go a little bit it becomes easier. I usually go the palm read if i do get in that situation, as it is a good escalator with kino and you can start a rapport building convo from there Ie weather she believes in it ect

All wonderful replies, thanks to everyone. I`ll keep this all in mind next weekend when I head out for another sarge.

This past weekend was great, I opened a few sets, but didn`t have any intention of taking it further than simply approaching. For now I`m just trying to get over my AA.

Cheers, thanks again.

Q.