I appreciate the feedback Roads, very much so. I know i am guilty of turning this into a bigger problem than it is, i think that is the same problem Top-ster has. 90% of guys just head onto the floor and just have fun, that's what it is about... but we (or at least me) have turned it into something SO huge that its damn hard to get out and have fun.

ANyway, the real reason i post is because i had a semi-breakthrough just now while dropping my bro off in the city. If you have issues dancing in front of people (which is what i am saying about myself) then practicing dancing, or at least grooving to a beat, while in your car is the PERFECT solution. Even though you may get a few eyes on you (sometimes a good thing, trust me) no one is going to be near you for a prolonged period of time. So just dancing it up in your car is a good way to get your toe in the water, it makes you more comfortable moving to the beat in front of an audience.

Take from this what you want, but dancing / rocking out in your car is an excellent solution to the original problem that was raised in this thread!

Hope that helps!

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the sex comment is not true.....im a girl and i dont convey dancing with sex. i love to dance. whether its with a guy or my girls. just practice around the house what do you think girls do. we dance in front of the mirror. who said guys cant too. pretend your hips are the drums and go with it.


have fun. if you are having fun no one cares what moves you are making. we all are focusing on our own moves haha.

friendofafriend, welcome to the pickup world, where most of our trade is derived from subconscious explanations that most people are not consciously aware of. You're going to look at A LOT of our stuff and say "Hey that's not true... I don't consciously consider that when I feel attraction for a guy!" and stuff along those lines.

Don't dismiss things that aren't in your conscious consideration as false. This is a very big reason that we discourage listening to dating advice from women.

haha yah i probably dont think like all women. im just saying that not ALL girls think like that haha. i mean when im grinding with a guy if he is a good grinder yes i do think hmm id like to see how he moves in bed haha but if he isnt a good dance i think aw thats cute....and i offer to teach him

You're a fat chick aren't you.

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top-ster,

you're not alone here bro. I'm not a terrible dancer but when I'm sober (which is all the time now) i feel self conscious dancing.

I usually do everything with the perception of having 100% confidence so I tend to stay away from dancing situations. I know I got rhythm...I play guitar, and i even do some decent dancing at home in the mirror. But having one bad experience with dancing can traumatize you for life if you let it.

Here's the thing - and this is advice I should follow myself. I was recently at a wedding and sober. Everyone started dancing in the beggining and i felt uncomfortable. But later, when everyone was drunk I figured..eh who gives a fuck no one's gonna remember this anyway. It eased things up a bit.

So look at it this way, if you don't give it shit then it doesn't really matter. It's kinda like approaching girls. If you're not phased by getting rejected you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It's your reality man. Remember that!

I'm gonna hit up the videos on youtube and check out some of this stuff though. Car thing is a good idea too.

Goodluck,

CPT

I used to hate dancing, I mean really HATE it...

Then I realized that most other people were just as self conscious as me.

Start by deliberately acting stupid, hop on one foot while flapping your hands like a dove... jog on the spot while doing semaphore... anything really dumb. Anyone who looks at you will know you're goofing around and will be amused or just not care... then just do whatever comes naturally, whatever it is, it'll be an improvement! You're lucky in having a g.f. to go with... your mantra should be that if she looks embarrassed, YOU'RE GETTING IT RIGHT, if she hasn't gone red, act weirder!

If you go to a trance/drum and base/ any serious dance music event, people there won't be there to see and be seen, they'll hardly notice who's dancing near them, let alone whether they're doing it well or not.

Despite dancing energetically and enthusiastically I thought I was really, and I mean really bad... Until I realized that when random strangers come up to you (men and women) and tell you you've really got moves, they're not being sarcastic, they mean it! And I've never been shown a single dance move in my life, let alone tried to copy MTV,.

Dance and look like a retard, dance because it's fantastic cardiovascular excercise, dance because one day you'll wake up and you MIGHT just be the envy of all your friends when you hit the floor, dance because one day your joints will get arthritis and your muscles will make you fall over whether your dancing or making a cup of tea. Just don't expect to look good. If it comes it comes, if not at least you're battling your inhibitions, and that's good.

That thing about not showing yourself up because women equate dancing skill with sexual skill... Sometimes it's true but I'd ignore it. For every woman who'll think you'll be rubbish in the sack, others will think you've got balls the size of coconuts... Besides which if you're gonna end up great, you've gotta start somewhere.

Basically my advice is this: don't dance to seduce, dance because being a tit is a fantastic way of lowering your inhibitions... and confidence is the way to seduction.

Brilliant dancing is not skillful dancing, it's dancing and enjoying it. Women sense that.

Dont feel bad man I cant dance either and Im black. Born rhymely challenged you can take lessons or be lik me and say fck it and dance confidently with girls. Watch the movie "hitch" he teachs the guys how to dance and any situation.

-BigLo

I'll second that on the salsa classes. It really helps. I'm a white boy thru and thru but after dating some firey latinas I took some lessons and even if you're not great they love the fact that you're out there.

I guess it depends on your style, but I say arm yourself with every conceivable DHV you can...especially the ones known to drive the women nuts!

Brad

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