Was at a party on Friday night.

1. Got talking to a hot lady (40's) who caught my eye. She gave me some
good kino by brusing her foot/leg up against mine. I got her email
address (took a little effort- gave her pen and paper). When I clarified
address later (she insitited it was hername@hotmail.CO.UK) she didn't seem that interested. Later saw another guy getting on well with her.

I'll send her an email on Mondy morning, following tips on this forum. I wasn't drunk but perhaps if I'd had less to drink I'd have 'performed better' at e.g affirming values.

2. Another lady. Spoke to her and her friend in one spot in the middle of the garden. Her friend a bit of an obstacle. Later I spoke to them somewhere else, with me and her sat next to oneanother on a low wall by house door.

Good body language. Asked her for her email address and she wrote down her personal and work email addresses.

3. Met her through her friend whom I'd spoken to at a party 3 weeks ago.
I tried to get her email address or no. but no luck. HOWEVER the 3 of us shared a taxi home. She mentioned the local salsa class that she goes to and suggested I go along. I of course said yes.

Strange aside- taxi passed a nudist sauna. The ladies giggled and said they'd been there. I bullshitted complete innocence (I've been there and to proper sex clubs, which this one isn't). I didn't want to get sleazy sojust hinted that I'd heard of it.

I got off cab first- gave me 1/3 (her suggestion), to her and confirmed I'd see her Thursday night at the Salsa lessons. I've been to a few salsa lessons and while not completely useless am still noticeably worse than average- another lady dancing near me at party said "Are you sure of your sexuality''.

At the party the lady I'm going to the salsa lessons said I had good rythym and could sing. And she said she'd only had one drink !

Guys- I don't want to be my usual AFC self with these ladies but am not that experienced despite my age.
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Been a swinger for 5 years and now going to more normal parties. Read Tony Clink and Neil Strauss's books. Find that they are useful and would like to go further than just chatting ladies up and getting their email addresses.

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Been a swinger for 5 years and now going to more normal parties. Read Tony Clink and Neil Strauss's books. Find that they are useful and would like to go further than just chatting ladies up and getting their email addresses.

Email game is a whole other area, Piccadilly, on which I have frankly no suggestions. Text game is possibly easier; it's more concise, there are opportunities for being mysterious, and someone (Finesse?) has offered a very promising sounding text-technique in the PUA lounge.

My general experience though, when I've tried to fix dates on email or by text is unsuccess. Faint heart never won fair maid, they say. I just feel when you take away the challenge of asking someone to their face, you lose the respect that comes for bravery.

The salsa class and the sexuality question - that sounds like a good thing! I mean, did you ever meet a gay man that couldn't dance? Of course maybe she was commenting on your leading...Anyway, salsa classes sound like a good idea, I'm told it's 75% women.

I cant tell you about a routine or something like that, the best for an online sarge for me was the C&F attitude when chatting with some girl, after that you definitely need to move to the phone, and then to a "date".
From my experience, you shouldnt show you romantic interests online, convince her that spending time with you is the most fun thing to do, so in that way you can start atraction in person.

Post how things with this girl continue please, to help you a bit more.

ICE

Well after waiting I got a reply from one of the ladies this afternoon.
Email said let's meet up for a drink sometime.

So I called her at 8.30pm tonight.'Hi its me from the party on Fri. How's your day been?
Her ''With friends about to have dinner- salad
Me Yeah it's hot.
Her - what about you- I'm about to cook a steak.

I said I'm free Tuesday (This is Wednesday) to meet up.
She= Next week ?!
Said she's about to go to dinner and will call me on Friday or during weekend.

Yes I did have point written out. Didn't want to come across as weak if I said ok to do earlier. Suppose I should have back tracked when she sounded suprised at Tuesday next week. Thought about negging her but didn' t know how to .

Left it at that and said look forward to her call.

Think I'll send her a text message on tomorrow or Friday saying I was a little hasty and might be able to see her sooner.

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Been a swinger for 5 years and now going to more normal parties. Read Tony Clink and Neil Strauss's books. Find that they are useful and would like to go further than just chatting ladies up and getting their email addresses.

Okay swinger....dude first of all you must'ove done something good with your email. But how in the hell are you going to nut up your phone call? Couldn't you have lured her out of that dinner? Email pick up is not hardly as hard as people make it to be because it's easier than verbalizing something that you can't take back. You can make good follow up impressions if you just type and read over your shit a couple of times. You said that you all rode in a taxi? Next time you do should be around the time you're either getting another close or helping her find her keys. Watch your alchohol intake! So many times I've seen a wingman diving down into a drunken stupor trying to talk with ciara's twin or something-it's not a good idea. It sounds like you're pretty subtle which isn't bad if you just feel like playing pool at the pub all night-but if I were you I'd widen up my stance and upgrade body language. If you were to get a good topic for banter going and get more hand gestures you'd probobally get your play more attention. Smile, it's time to cut some throats!

P.S. If she said that...I'd practice salsa in the mirror at home a bit. Get a CD called Mambo Kings....has stuff like mambo, salsa, and cha cha. It's all Cuban stuff and it's pretty percussive.....I've found latin clubs can throw me off since there's so much fricking percussion. Get a CD and practice a bit-that's cool you're taking classes with her.

Friday- call her. Answer phone. I leave no message. Sunday night - text her - it's me as you said in ur email, 'lets' meet up' I thought you were serious. I'm free Mon- Wed, busy Thur. Goodbye, me.

So I'd sort of deleted her. Lo and behold. Monday lunch time she replies. We arrange to meet up that evening. I suggested a place but we go to place she suggested as she know area better.

Went pretty well. Seated at bar. Tells me about herself. Elicit values. Pretty good body language, legs touching. Cools down a bit. She comes back from toilet. Her glass nearly empty. We dither a bit and then agree to go to bar across the road. Bar man presents me with bill. I pay it.
Yes I know don't buy lady a drink until you get something but you have to go along with the situation.
Better body language at next bar, seated closer. She tells me about her and fast cars and a bit about massage. Still a bit of legs touching.
Minor mistake, as her glass getting empty she starts to say she's getting tired and has to go home soon. Yes I know best for guy to call it quits first. So I get assertive and but in say I have to start work early.

Say I've had a great night and will call her at weekend. Eye contact drifted a bit at that second but got better a second after. By the way she will be out of town next week. She offers to give me a lift to the subway/tube, which I accept. Good vibe in the car me- it's cute like you (I got away with it). Finished us kissing each other on each cheek.
Yes I know a bit AFC. But I wasn't bothered about having sex that night, I want something more long term. I say again that I'll call her at the weekend.

I'd like to call her on Friday evening as she will be away next week.
But should I just do as I said and call her at weekend, say Saturday 11 am ?


P.S On Saturday (when I'd sort of 'deleted lady I saw tonight) I was with a hot chick (girl from work I've drunk with already )in bar with a couple of colleagues, good body language and chat up lines (in between right wing political extremisim from my colleauge). Then we went to a restaurant. Situation cooled down a bit. Still reasonable conversation and a bit of foot contact. She had to go to another bar and meet former work mates. Normal good byes 'see you next week. No kisses (my colleague knows I fancy her so no probs there).

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Been a swinger for 5 years and now going to more normal parties. Read Tony Clink and Neil Strauss's books. Find that they are useful and would like to go further than just chatting ladies up and getting their email addresses.

Just a quick one.

Forgot to add that she paid for the second round of drinks.

Will call her Saturday lunch time as I promised to call her at weekend. Calling before then might look too keen/AFC. Know I will sound enthusuastic on the phone (brief: how are you ?, arrange next meet).

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Been a swinger for 5 years and now going to more normal parties. Read Tony Clink and Neil Strauss's books. Find that they are useful and would like to go further than just chatting ladies up and getting their email addresses.