I am tired of trashy, low class women who are licentious and easy. I like women who have good personal hygene, are well dressed, take care of themselves and have some intellect as well. I can have hot sluts any day but what I can't seem to land are the girls of quality beyond looks. I don't want to be a sucker and I want to show confidence but I also don't want to come off as white trash or low class and I think some of this material walks a fine line between being confident and being trashy.

ps-I'm also posting a lot because I'm trying to get to 30 so I can post elsewhere lol

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

was it in the game where style says that pick up works even more effectively on intelligent girls as less intelligent girls wont even have the attention span to listen to any rountines..i suppose it depends on your method

not that background social class and intellegence have a perect correlation or anything

Go find out. You'll learn a lot more from the women you approach than you will from us speculating.

thats a good point

You should adapt your game to the type of women your going for.
Gaming a HB7-8 isnt easier than gaming a HB10, its just differnt
Gaming a slut isnt easier than gaming a millionair, just different

Life survives by adapting, adaapt your game

/madals

I do recall that line from Style's book....so gaming women with class and intellect is different not harder is what I'm getting.

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

This is a nice discussion.

When I'm gaming a classy woman I try to turn off a bit those "flashy" PUA stuff and focus a bit more on smart conversations.

Why? Because these are tools we have to keep their attention directed towards us (among other objectives, of course) and if you are having a meaningful conversation with a smart girl, she will be naturally interested because there aren't many guys who have the capacity to engage in such great topics. Got it?

Well, just go around and look! You can somehow make a distinction visually between "common" and "classy" girls. I have noticed that the "common" ones tend to make a lot more noise and act, guess what? flashy =)

We need to adapt and act in a way that is unique but not strange to them.

I appreciate this feedback. I like to read and have almost encyclopedic knowledge of history. I don't dress flashy; I dress preppy I guess?lol or nice because those are the women I want to attract. I definitely want hb8's and up but a woman that is hot and intelligent REALLY turns me on! One problem I have though is that though I'm well dressed and educated, I'm not formally educated really. I come from an upper-middle class family that taught me manners and how to speak properly , I am an avid reader (so I taught myself a great deal)and I went to community college but I don't have even a bachelor's degree and some of these girls I talk to have Master's in business and what not. How to I DHV to a girl who may not be inherently smarter or more knowledgeable than myself but has that paper that I dont have?

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

This is a good question!

Well, women are attracted to men with goals and targets on life. They want a man that is not afraid to face life and get what they want from it.

So you just say you plan to finish studying and getting your degree. If you have a story to tell her regarding why you don't have one, tell. You can also make up one:

"my family had to move from cityX into Y and I couldn't really start college. So I needed to help my father on his business and I ended up delaying college"

make up sth that fits you but MAKE IT CLEAR that you plan to get a degree and you WILL get one because you are not afraid to face chalenges and you are not ashamed of not having one.

You can't really tell her "albeit I don't have a degree, I'm have a lot of knowledge" - don't do this! Try to tell her stories in which you can show what you know. Something that I would do is: when are already in confort zone with her, say something like "just to make it clear.. I study a lot about X, Y so don't get me wrong, I see you are very smart and you will certainly understand that degrees aren't all that matters". Some will say that this is beta behaviour and that you are seeking her aproval. I disagree! If you have an alpha male demeanor and are confident, there is no problem in telling her that.

good luck!

EDIT: another hint. avoid taking the conversation into "where have you studied" because she will certainly ask you the same thing. don't go into this area unless it's really your last shot.. sincerely, she won't give a shit if you don't have a paper as long as you can get her excited, happy and entertained.

And? I don't exactly see the problem here.
So you are asking how to DHV to a girl that may be dumber than your self but has a degree that you don't have? If so I say to DHV as you normally would. I don't know why you are putting so much emphasis on the degree.

If the girl is intelligent enough she will know college is not for everyone. And that just because you don't have a degree does not mean you are dumb or intelligent. What you say and do shows how intelligent you are.

WHOAH!!! You're putting words in my mouth. Let me explain. I never said the girls were dumber than I was at all bro. What I said was that they aren't necessarily MORE INTELLIGENT THAN ME but they have a piece of paper which is a manifistation of their academic achievements. I PERSONALLY, don't give a flying fuck what kind of degree a person has but other people and hb's-NOT ME- put emphasis on the degree and also its a little embarrasiing when talking to a hb and she has a PhD and I am a college dropout. Here is a very recent example:
I was at a party last weekend and I met this hb10 there who exuded class and I was immediately very, very attracted to her, so I opened her and negged her...blah,blah, anyway we were talking and she asked me what I do and I said ECommerce which is true, but what I do is work at a grocery store and when people order things online I take the invoice, fill the order and ship it out. Well, ironically she does ECommerce too, but on the business end of it at a corporate level while I'm wearing my plastic name tag! She's telling me she has a Master's degree in business and she what she does and though what both did is called the same thing, we are on opposite ends. She didn't realize this and was using terms she expected me to I didn't understand. I was tongue tied and I had to explain what I did and that I was in college getting a bachelor's degree in business (which is bullshit) I was intimidated and though she and I were obviously on the same level, she has a paper to prove it...

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

Hi, I am new here as well. I would say two things jump out from your conversation with this girl. I have never been a big fan of lying about myself and what I do. To be honest I find it a bit low class. If you are trying to game a higher class of women than I think you should hold yourself up to a higher standard. Even if you get a high class girl in this way you are reducing her to lowclass by association and you won't respect her anymore.

So how to game the honest way? I would be upfront yet always lead with my strongest points, the things I am most proud of. Don't start by saying, "I am in E-commerce" because as you have learned someone knowledgeable about such things will lead you to trouble, you put on a front and it came back and bit you in the ass. I would lead with, I am in college studying business. I also have a part time job, it's not much but it puts money in my pocket while I am going to school.

Okay now I understand what your saying and see where you are coming from.

I can understand about being embarrassed when talking to people with degrees that you don't have, especially when they put value on it, as I have been there more than once. When I run into such situations I bring out my intelligence and knowledge, to show just because I don't have a masters does not mean I am dumb. I am not doing it to prove my self, but more make them think twice about labeling me as dumb.

As far your example goes, if it does happen again, I would find a interesting way to describe your job to the girl. And if a girl is talking about terms she expects you to know, ask her what they mean. I have ask girls on computer terms that I never heard of before, and my degree deals with computers and I am even looking for a job that deals with computers. Most of the time the girl is more than happy to tell me what the term means, and sometimes she feels more intelligent in the process. Which in turn boots her confidence making her a better catch.

thanks. Yeah, I did swallow my pride and tell her I didn't know what they meant but when I said "E-Commerce" that IS what my job is called. I mean, what were the chances she does something that is called the exact same thing only on a much higher level??!!lol

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"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"-Emerson

problem is you have insecurity over this lack of a degree. i too am a college dropout and i'm completely content with it. always be secure and confident with who you are right now in the present and never give a girl higher value than yourself.