I know I can talk to the gurls and get the number or whatever. the problem is I can't initiate the conversation in the first plaace. as the saying goes "you can't walk before you can crouch" or something like that. so how do i overcome this and start crouching so I can start the walk.

some comments please.

you do what you're afraid of, and then the fear goes away

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I'm a winner - I am going to win.

Thats the best quote ever.

Do that which you fear and your fear will surly die.

It's 'you can't walk before you can crawl' by the way.

yeah and the flipside is: The more you feed the monster, the bigger it grows. so the more you give in to your fear, the bigger it's gonna get. nip it in the but now!

so start opening and initiating ASAP knowing that the next time you do it it'll be that much easier and so on.

also, sometimes it seems like openers might not start a conversation so you may have to quickly follow up with a conversation starter. i like to make a random comment to some girl about the place we're in or the song that's playing and then when i get her attention just start a conversation like "where are you girls from?" or "this place is dead tonight? is it ususally like this?"

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i cant seem to open either, i have an intense fear of being judged by the person, but i spent the day selling stuff on a market and its pretty much gone. i could talk to anyone today. as you quoted in an odd different way, you cant run before you can walk, so id suggest baby steps. immersion into a fear to get rid ofit only works for some, for others it can induce a panic attack. just start like i am, i can get eye contact now with any girl

today i got a smile

which shows ive perfected the sexy suggestive smirk you do with eye contact. also im learning about tonality, and openers are really good in conversation with anyone. trust me. read david deangelos double your dating ebook. i have it if youd like it. i also have thundercats book which is wicked, cos hes even worse than i am lookswise! message me if you wanna talk, id like a kindred spirit to chat to

your friend in pickup

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i had the same anxiety about starting a conversation, fearing they would sense I was trying to pick them up, and would get rejected. Then I read someone's post saying- don't try and pick them up. Just talk to them without running game, the more you talk to people the easier it will get, then the rest will just come naturally with time. One set I was talking with ended up both being married, with their husbands at the bar- but I continued to talk with them and practice my DHV spikes, negging, etc. Now its polished up for when I really need to use it. I'll practice on my friends girlfriends, co-workers, etc without the intent of picking them up, just to try stuff out.

Guess what you are being judge. Everyone around you is judging you. And you are doing it to other people. There is no way to avoid it. And people that say that they don't judge are fooling themselves.

I have this problem too! Once I'm talking I'm good. Or at least I get lots of phone numbers, just by being myself. But I find it horribly difficult to open conversations. What I really want to do is to be able to go up to a girl on the street and say "hi, how are you?" or something equally vacuous, and not feel like I'm a crazy weirdo. It's difficult! Yesterday I left my house intending to go and just say hi to a random girl -- but "hi" as if I mean it, not some weird under-the-breath hi. I couldn't do it. Maybe tomorrow. The trouble is, even if I do this 100 times I'm not convinced I'd feel any the less stupid about it. Because my problem isn't nervousness as much as it is a fear of acquiring a dodgy reputation, and of course that grows the more you do this sort of thing! Any thoughts anyone? Am I just totally paranoid? And D_Haile03, have you made any progress?

I have very bad AA as well. Today I went out with intentions of opening up. I went to my local mall with a friend who knew a lot of people and I only talked to girls through him, and even then I barely said anything. Strangely, it's not a fear of rejection that grips me, because I know I can do this. I know once I feel comfortable that I can make a girl smile, but I just don't feel comfortable at all. If I go in uncomfortable then I will screw up and who seriously wants to crash and burn on their first attempt as a PUA? To make matters worse, there's no such thing as night game for me because I'm 16. No clubs or bars to attend at a whim. I'm forced to work with day game, which for many guys is considered harder because girls aren't in the mindset that they're really expecting to be approached that much at all.

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ha ha ha thanks man. i havnt bn on de forum 4 a while. but thanks for the advice. u no I now hav began to look at it like a game. wen i play football game i dont fear loosin, even wen i do i jus restart n make sure i win next time round. this is my philosophy in this pick up art. n more importantly it shouldn't be a big deal cos i no der r guys out der dat look at pick ups as an achievement. well it isn't. its just a normal thing.

You only fail if you do not attempt, even if you crash and burn you have succeeded. Your goal is to learn, so you will have succeeded by simply attempting.