I've lurked these forums for a long time and I prefer to sarge alone. Since I'm not old enough to sarge in clubs and bars, I'm forced to restrict my sarging to malls, college, house parties, and just random meets on the street.

I have a very good grasp on both opening and number/kiss closing. The problem with it is I just lack the substance. I know what type of routines to run (cube, 5 question game, push pull etc).

But when I run my game on girls in the mall in particular, it seems like it's really hard for me to build that attraction and comfort. Like they are moving targets and they are moving somehwere. I can get off my opener on the girls and get maybe 2 minutes of conversation, however, it seems like when I try to move on to the comfort and attraction stage it feels like they are trying to move on so I choke and after only about 3-4 minutes of convo I move straight to number close. (Usually ends up turning into fool's gold where they don't answer my call in which I just delete their number and move on).

Do you guys know what I can do? I can do my opener fine and get the number/kiss close but the attraction is what I'm having a problem in. It seems like they lose interest in talking despite the fact that I'm keeping up the energy when I try to move on to attraction..

So anyways I was hoping maybe I can get some input from some of you guys who has experience particularly in this area. Thank you!

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Still Strugglin'

Sounds like your not being interested enough and not doing any DHV what so ever.

Maybe they are moving targets and in a hurry. If they see a store they are about to enter, their mind is probably not on you but on the store. While building comfort ask her to sit at a nearby table or bench and work your game from there.

That's a good idea. So how should I do this? Should I say something along the lines of "I'm really tired of standing, come sit down with me and talk"??

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Still Strugglin'

No offense but girls usually don't go to the mall to meet guys and chat. They have shopping, stores, etc. on their mind.

My suggestion would be to number close and promise her a cup of coffee when she is done shopping (find out about what time she is going to be finished at the mall.) Then move on to attraction. That way you are separated from the constant distraction of a mall SPAM.

Nice, i like the coffee hint.

Ok so today I was near the foodcourt and I went up to a girl who was eating alone. I opened her and I got a good response from her. I took the chance and sat down at her table and I managed to grab a date for that night. Worked out great. It turned out she was working in one of the stores and she was on her break.

I will try and use hypnotik's suggestion on girls that are moving around though. And in case you guys didn't already know, this is day game.

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Still Strugglin'

I'm to old to be picking up at the malls, but if I did see a lady my age eating alone. Go in and just sit down and say sorry I'm late, and carry on. Then play stupid, like so Laykesa what part of town are you from again? What you aren't Laykesa? Your not my blind date?

lol

Lol that's brilliant. Any girl with a sense of humor would laugh. Maybe I'll use that when I grow the balls to lol. Right now I'm having trouble merely approaching girls at all.

Have you tried hitting on girls younger than you?

Yes, of course bro it's just the mall is more a teenage hang out. Just remember it's all about frame to pull it off. I've field tested in bar and has worked quit well.

If you're having trouble holding them when they're walking around try approaching when they're in a store. Yes, they're still walking around but are easier to stop and have a conversation without them eyeballing the Hollister store right behind you lol. Don't forget about hired guns inside that Hollister store.

focusing on the stationary targets seems like a good start as i would have to agree that most chicks in the mall are there for a reason and that isnt generally meeting new guys.

Anyway, I'm posting because i read some time ago about a guy who would go work his material on the chicks who are actually working in the mall (very similar to your recent experience). I can't remember any specifics, but the basic line of thinking was that women who are working in the stores have to come talk to you anyway so why not capitalize on that fact and work some game on them. Just use your basic cocky funny approaches and DHV lines. THe great thing about this is that you have an easy way to transition them from talking while they are at work, to talkingto them sometime outside of work.

(crappy / ranty post i know, but i'm on vacation and only get a few minutes here and there on my laptop to pound out replies)

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I do what I can, but I know I can do better.

bro def do some dhv or get a wing