So you're at the mall, bar, club, concert, wherever.
And you spot this absolutely gorgeous woman.
Right then and there, you get this nervous chill up your spine thinking
"How would an average guy like me get such a beautiful girl like her?"
"How is it that some guys can get laid with these girls?"
"What do they have that I don't? Looks? Money? Confidence?"
"What do I say?"

And you think there's some sort of magic to talking to these girls.
So I have to say this "I need your opinion on something" so that I don't bother her. This will get me results. And ESP readings will also help me win her over.
STOP. RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE SOO MANY THREADS about "ESP readings" "How to approach" "What to say"

This type of behavior will NOT get you laid.
Many AFCs ask me "Will doing what this book tells me to do get me laid?"
And it's such a stupid question.

There is no magical sentence or technique that'll get you laid. ESP readings won't get you laid. None of that will get you laid.
None of it.

Your ONLY problem is.. You're too nervous to approach a girl and you think there is a certain sentence that will make a girl attracted to you.
That's the problem we need to get rid of.

Most people in this world has a good personality. "But I'm not most people. I have a condition called IM-TOO-SHY-TO-SOCIALIZE."
Nope. If you can make a friend, just one. Then you can make a friend with the entire world.

Let me tell you something about women: THEY ARE HUMAN.
You don't think they go through the same emotions you do?
They feel scared, angry, happy, sad, used, insecure.
No one feels like they are PERFECT. They always reach and strive for more.
So instead of wasting 2 months like me and finding out "What to say" and memorizing 100 different lines to talk to women about, focus on the REAL problem: Your confidence.

The only way you'll get a girl to talk to you if she feels safe with you. If she knows you're not a creep. Then you can even get away with her knowing you like her.
So BE YOURSELF. Show her your personality and show her you're a good guy. Don't fake, it'll show, HARD. So keep her intrigued and instead of making her talk about herself, tell her about YOU. Show her that YOU are a good guy. Show her YOU are someone special.

"Well what do I talk about?"
Talk about how the girl at your work tried to get you to sleep with her.
Talk about how you got a promotion.
Talk about how you saved a life.
Talk about anything. Anything that won't make you feel stupid and dumb.

Look at this from the woman's point of view. She craveess for a guy who's not going to put alll the attention on her and actually talk about HIMSELF for once. Without coming off as "Bragging".
One of the strongest ways to do this is to talk to her about your life.
She'll go "Wow. This guy is pretty cool. I wonder what other adventures he's had in his life."

So now you know what to say right??
Now you know how to act right??
It's about being yourSELF and showing the girl who you are. That you're somebody.

Now you'll see the "books" as helpers.
Things that will help make a stranger feel like a friend.
Once you do that, she's all yours.

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As you just said you use The Octoberman Sequence in a different post, very interesting...

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Thanks??
The Octoberman is merely a helpful tool I have to increase the sexual tension between me and a target.
What are you trying to get at?

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Thats a very NLPly written post.

You also seem to be assuming that everyones game revolves around the MM, say to ignore it , then talk about general DHV then none transmittance of attention. Be yourself, unless you're shy. A lot of mixed messages flying through there. I'm not disagreeing with what your saying as a whole but
to answer your question. I think I'm trying to get at that I'm baffled by what you are?

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xDD
I'm nobody. I have no identity. Or I have every identity. I am Mystery. I am David Deangelo. I am you. and You are me.
lol,, okay

So.. What am I?? Well I've only been in the community for what.. 6 months now and I'm still looking into the "methods" and seeing what I can gain from them.
The M3 Model is a guideline. It shows the basic interaction with a high value guy (PUA) and a girl.
I'm pretty sure it's how most of my relationships with girls occur.
Someone 'opens' the other, then we show interest and talk to each other, and then we get sexual..
Also, NLP is something I really look into. Not for just pickup, but as a study. I was introduced to it by my psychology teacher and it was fascinating.

Anyways, I post these threads in different areas of the forum.
This thread is for newbies who make too big of a deal of "what to say".
Also, my reason for posting my routines are not so people just imitate, but so they can understand how I made the routine and what I was doing to become such a person who naturally acts high value.

But in simple terms, I am a natural. The Cube and The Octoberman Sequence are merely "games" I learned from "friends" and "peers".
And the M3 model is a chart that helps me know what phase of a relationship I am in with a target.

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I meant what you are getting at with the original post? though thanks for the life story involving you describing OMS as a game.

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Mmkay. I don't know what you're trying to get at.
First you ask me who I am and then you take it back.
Not making soo much sense here bro...

Also, it's very obvious your either trying to AMOG a fellow PUA or your reading comprehension is down the drain.. No offense, but it's not cool.

But if you are in all honesty not getting my point in my original post, I can't help you. I explained the best I could in it.
Reading things over a couple of times usually helps me out when I couldn't quite comprehend something I just read.

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Right I think you have missed the point, I explained that what I asked was Now placing in your original question, it becomes , To answer'what are you getting at'. I think I'm trying to get at that I'm baffled by what you are?
Now you insulting my comprehension aside, what you are, is not the same as who you are. (or what, you are. For that matter). The No offense then acts as a tortology. Hmm I kind of Jumped on the whole comprehension thing, though I took it in American terms as opposed to the slightly altered English.

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You guys are trippin balls rite now. Meet me in Florida, lets take a few hits and all be friends

Cheers for that offer but im cool as a cucumber just come out the fridge.
All that happened fonzy was I said one thing who thought I meant another, which then lead to more confusion. Im sure if grape has any more trouble he can PM me.

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Actually... You seem to asking me several different things. I'd be happy to answer your question(s). If you give me direct ones.
I've already told you what I was getting at with my original post.
And I told you what kind of PUA I am.

I am truly very confused right now.

But kinda cool how you asked me the same question twice (about a natural who uses the octoberman), redirected the question, brought it up again, and avoided it.

If you're not going to give me a direct answer, then I'm done having this conversation.

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I asked about the original post, What you were getting at? saying just be yourself and don't worry about routines, yet yourself using the octoberman ( a routine) seems to lack congruence.
I didn't, I asked once at the start and it wasn't that question you answered.
What is the question?

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And I told you exactly what I was getting at.
And then you pointed out that I was being "incongruent" and I answered back.
Maybe you like messing with me.. That's cute. I just want you to tell us all what you're trying to do ignoring my answers and asking the same questions over and over again, (the reason I'm not PMing you about this)
Come on, be a good sport!

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Grape, the ace is mine!!! hands off!! lmao. I am his stalker and thats the end of it

I assumed that this was a discussion not an attempt for you to try and get one up on a fellow PUA but from that last post it appears I was wrong.

I don't see how it works that you answer my question, then re-alise that the question you answered was not the one I asked yet still believe the answer stands having concluded the question is completely different. And if we have established the question is not what you orignally answered how can I be asking the same question over and over again.

Back at the original post Just a point I'd like to make concerning being yourself over routines. Many poeple are way to shy to initially express themselves, this is another role the initial teachings of the MM. It gives the socially shy something to hide behing, they know what they can open with and what they can then move onto. From there people can gradually get over their shyness and discover who they are and who they can be. The MM is not intended to just be lines to get girls. Yeh sure people looking for the quick fix will copy the routines and think nothing of it. It is instead a training guideline for social improvement.

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