I thought I would address this because this is definitely something that most people get wrong.

I always see people saying things like "you did that wrong you opened too strongly" or "you're pecking!!" or "you didn't neg her enough".

I just wanted to address this issue for the fact is that Mystery Method isn't the one and only method that works. Reading up on a lot of different other pickup artists works as well. To address the pecking issue, thats not a bad thing to do if the rest of your game isn't weak. You don't necessarily have to neg a girl to win her over. Girls love compliments and sure they do hear it a lot, and yes I'm sure it does get boring. But imagine you constantly got compliments, I know I do when I skateboard (I've been skateboarding for a very long time) so every time I hear a compliment, it stills makes me feel good inside and brightens my day. Also, when Mystery says something like "don't tell her shes beautiful at first" or something of that sort because its boring and every guy says it. The guys that DO say it have absolutely no back up game. So usually it goes something like:

GUY: Hey there I noticed you from far away and I wanted to tell you you're beautiful. (AND THATS IT, they don't comment on the fact that she's unique or has a great vibe/aura coming off her because women love spirituality or maybe her dress, now I am NOT stating that this is how to open but if you're going to talk about her looks, don't just say how hot she is, but its completely okay to mention that she IS hot, just with something else added in there.)
HB: oh thanks
GUY: yeah ..so..where you from? (usually this is what happens)

And from here on out, he crashes and burns unless hes good at recovering.

You DON'T have to abide by the strict blueprint mystery offers. It's not the perfect model, and it never will be because honestly, the only perfect model there is, is natural game. And even that is never perfect.

Also, if you say excuse me or something of that sort, that doesn't mean anything at all. People write, "you're not excusing yourself", you're completely right, nobody is really excusing themselves, its just a figure of speech and girls don't read into it if you open them up with an "excuse me, i need..." because in the end, what matters is your body language, the sexual tension you've built with it, and just how interesting you are.

If you're in a club/bar, there should be some sexual tension built from the start because night game is different from day game. In day game however, you want to talk to the girl, let her know you're interested and interesting, get her number and get outta there. Its the simplest and most effective method because you can just build all the sexual tension on the date with her. In night game, you want to stay with her longer, build that chemistry between you two, and come off as an interesting guy. If you're looking to get laid the same night, your game is obviously going to be a little heavier and sexier I guess, however if you want numbers generally I've seen people do it within 3-4 minutes. I mean you can spend a little more time so to make sure she doesn't flake when you call her up.

That's just my perspective on things. I'm still relatively new to this so maybe my view on things will be different within the next month or so, but for now, this is what I think.

For night game you have:
1. Open with a funny opener or just a neutral one.
2. Come off as confident/interesting
3. Build sexual tension (amount depends on your goal)
4. Close off (depending on whether you want a number or a kiss or a same day date to another place)


For day game you've basically got:
1. Come off as non-creepy/confident at first.
2. Come off as an interesting/confident guy while talking.
3. Close off in a confident and fun/interesting way somehwat quickly

If you think what I'm saying about day-game is not effective, look up Paul Janka.


Notice how many times I've used interesting/confident. These are the golden keys to being great with women. Now building these two characteristics is another post I might write one day when I get better. If you disagree, feel free to criticize in an intelligent manner.

In response to this thread, please realize that there is a very steep learning curve on this forum. About 10% of the users actually know what the hell they are talking about, the rest are mindless MM followers that read The Game and think the know shit on the back of there hand.

In brutal honesty, there are some fucking retards on this forum. But hey, we were all there once, no?

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could not agree more.. seriously man if it wasnt for beschattens early responce im sure this thread would already be filled with MM retards who just read the game, think they're king-shit and telling you off. what shits me even more is that half these fags are yet to open a set or go sarging like once in their life and post on here thinking their gurus- fucking internetPUAs. but yeh i guess we have all been there lol i started giving advice before i had the experience to back it up too..

edit: re-reading this just made me realize i sound so angry lol i should probably go write a blog about it or some shit - sorry for venting on ur thread man =]


peace.

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Thanks for your replies guys. Haha I loved the vent you gave but it's okay I completely understand where you're coming from. There are mindless zombies in every part of culture, be it music, or picking up females. Some people just can't think for themselves and MUST have a father type figure to lead them in their lives. *COUGH COUGH* religion.

I do agree that Mystery's method is overplayed right now. But it seems to be more of a fad than anything else. And I bet once enough girls get hit with the Mystery Method the "fanyboys" will have to find a new method to use that is less played and the process is repeated. Or some other PUA gets his spotlight from the media and guys flock to him as he is now the latest greatest thing now.

Other than the MM.. what would be a good "next step" to read?

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i think you guys are bein a bit harsh.. theres two sides to every story..

i think your sort of stating the obvious and it doesn't actually contradict MM at all so... if it makes u feel clever then fine.
you say to show confidence etc.. well how bout u tell us HOW and WHY? instead of just sayin it.. and if u do i think ull mention Game and MM material as well. dont look down on it because its popular with some dumb asses at the moment its still good material.

i think that the 10% are the ones who try the others dont put it into action.

My argument isn't bashing MM or The Game (I don't even consider The Game worthy material, it's just a good story), it's people acting like they know what the hell they are talking about when in reality they are fucking scrubs. There are a lot of really good posts on this forum that give a lot of good advice people just tend to not look for them or find them. There are a solid 10-20 good posts on one-itis and everybody fucking asks how to deal with it or what to do next. The repetition is annoying and it makes people just come off as stupid.

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I specifically said I won't be addressing the issue in this thread. I will be later on when I get better and will try to help the ones with confidence issues out as much as possible.

dude i was never looking down on the material.. hell at least 70% of my own game is MM-based and therefore i rely heavily on it using my own DHV stories, routines etc. i was only looking down on those dumb asses for thinking that its the only worthy system out and that every specific rule must be obeyed religiously. we all know that given the right circumstances u could break most of 'the rules' and get away with it.
hahaha good point man, being atheist i know how u feel.. ppl do rely on their idols WAYY too much at times. best to be independant and self-sufficient so that u eventually wont need to rely on anything while sarging except ur personality. now thats game.
depends on where ur game needs the most work, but i would definitely recommend 'Magic Bullets' by Savoy. its great for pretty much all levels and goes into a lot more detail than MM with certain phases of a pick-up.

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To be honest the MM fanboy fad is dying, their will always be MM worshippers, but the new "god in town" is Vin di Carlo. For every decent system their will always be people who are overly fanatical.

It's just the way things go.

Good post, but I feel it has already been pointed out. Yet their may still be corners of ignorance that this thread will hopefully clear up.