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Furious Stylez
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I need help im new to the game. I think i have a Grasp on openers but I have no idea what to do after them all, can someone steer me in the right direction.
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A conversation

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Ok but i dont see how
PUA" hey this is a dire issue im having with some freinds we need a womans input on it young or old elvis?
HB: blah blah blah
Pua: young your shallow

i dont see how that starts up a conversation what if they all just give a short answer like old, just real brief.
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"you're shallow."
"that's mean"
"hey, where did you buy your shoes?"

"you're shallow"
"that's mean"
"that's a nice ring you have there - why do you wear it on that finger?"

"you're shallow"
"you bastard"
"that's me. do you remember when you would have to sneak around to talk to guys so your parents didn't find out? well i think we should keep this conversation our little secret."

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So your sayin this should open up a conversation, and if it dose from there where do i go?... number?

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once you start opening sets you wont know what they usually answer, but if you've completed the newbie drill (4 sets an hour, 4 nights a week) you'll know what most people would answer and get more spontaneous. once your comfortable with 1-2 openers, you can add more.

if it locks up use your FTC and get out of there, open another set and perhaps return later and continue one of the threads if you can without appearing needy.

remember, don't open the prime set first ;)
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You want there to be an ABC. There's not really a rigid structure. The guideline goes attract, comfort, close.

attract: open, display high value, use some routines ect to flow into building comfort.

- "hey"
- time constraint
- open
- ground. i link many openers to a story from when i was traveeling ect
- neg
- routine
- kino
- start counting IOIs
- fluff, elicit values and qualify

There is no "best" way, it depends on set. Go with what feels most natural.

I work visually. Here's a good place to start routine wise.
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Ok what are kino's, and what dose fluff, elicit values and qualify mean.

Sorry for bein such a n00b

oh and thank you all so much i need the help like madd

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Ok what are kino's, and what dose fluff, elicit values and qualify mean.

Sorry for bein such a n00b

oh and thank you all so much i need the help like madd
you should start by reading the game by neil strauss if you havent already
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u dont need to read the game. its just about style and some other puas and his rise to fame.
if u want information on the basics get a book thats about pick up, not a story. mystery method is a very popular book that is refered to and used by allot of people. if u want read the game, then go on and read mystery method

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u dont need to read the game. its just about style and some other puas and his rise to fame.
if u want information on the basics get a book thats about pick up, not a story. mystery method is a very popular book that is refered to and used by allot of people. if u want read the game, then go on and read mystery method
totally agree, mystery method's the way to go, the game is a novel more than a handbook for aspiring PUAs

havent checked out style's other books, any reviews on the annihiliation method?
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