i recon that it is based on rutine. If you got girls by being yourself, then you dont need the game. The game is BASED on rutine. If you make yourself work for her, then she loses interst. (Mystery's cat and string theory). Basicly it all involes making her feel like she needs to impress you. Pull all that 'be yourself' stuff when you want the full long term relationships

I got the idea from David D
when you get a girls number say..I'm not into playing games you only get one phone call from me if you don’t pick up I leave a message Thats it!

girl will to your amusement scramble to try to get your number so she knows whos calling, say text me now or look worried.....This is allso a great BS test if a girl remains calm when you say this shes not serious you can almost delete the number..
When you call I usually hope she doesn’t pick up yesss i get to leave a message......... Remember that really cool guy you met at bla bla bla this is him and remember that one phone call you were going to get ..THIS IS IT hang up girl will usually call back within a half an hour

Yeah these rules are fucking retarded.

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If it is a number you got in a hectic environment, such as a bar or nightclub, you should probably call her no more than 2 days later, because she may have given her number out to a few guys (2 days is arbitrary, it depends on how much time you spent with her that evening and how strong the two of you bonded). If it was a 30 minute interaction, the no more than 2 day rule should apply, because she could forget the emotions she felt with you if you wait later

However, say you got the number running day game, say, on a hired gun, and you make a great impression on her (you know when you did), you could wait as long as you want, or as soon as you want. She won't forget you too easily.

Cheers!

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....If you ever use this...you'll probably seem like a psycho. Imagine how dumb you'll feel when she doesn't call you back. What happened to "no big deal?"

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great advice man. excellent way to DHV. thanks

love it

Hey all you guys who are bashing the Ross Jeffries stuff....

That voice message you all keep quoting from him was written 17 years ago when he wrote his first book. He's come a long way since those "treat her like cargo" days. You guys are literally referencing the MOST outdated of his stuff, I bet he doesn't even use that message anymore.

If you really want good phone messages though, don't look to Ross Jeffries first because I have a hunch his harsh voice message only works if you've used NLP to already attract the girl and anchor her states. Otherwise, buy Mehow's "Get the Girl" ebook, look at the chapter on phone game. "Magic Bullets" by the Mystery Method guys also has a good chapter on phone game.


P.S. Ross's method is worth a try if the girl doesn't return your calls. Use it only as a voice message though, don't waste a perfectly good call with it if she picks up the phone. For that, use Ross's "what would have to happen" pattern (ALWAYS WORKS for me, without offending the girl).

seem to aggresive for me but every bit of information scratch that every bit of experience help mold new perspective i guess it also gos the way you showed your frame to be like a nice guy just hanging up is like angry but ohh well just wing woot

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from my personal experience

unless she really likes you or you have made plans in the future, don't wait three days

what works for me is after we parted ways and i have her number, i'll text her that night so she is used to me communicating with her, and then i'll call her either the next day or two to set something up if i didn't the first time i met her

I totally disagree with Halloween's reply. That just sounds too hostile and needy. It sounds like your life has just been flushed down the toilet after she said she wont be able to make it. Bad choice of words.

through experience.

Phone game CANNOT be made into a science like approaching and opening in the real field.

Phone game 2 day wait period = nonsense.

If she is a quality woman, she has better shit to do!

The first day I meet her, I call at the meeting spot so that she has my number as well.

The next day, I text something cocky and funny, and call later.

Sometimes I text the day after, and call the day after I text. It has been 2 days but it wasn't a wait period.


Building comfort.

Your purpose of the phone number is to keep in touch and set up the day two. Obviously if your game is tight, you had already at least built attraction and at least some comfort.

Phone game, you build even more attraction and comfort, and if you're passed the freshman level of 'PUA University', seduce over the phone. I have seduced on AIM.

I have number closed on myspace, and seduced over the phone. Flew to Cali for vacation and F'd closed her the first date. This was before I joined the seduction community.

This is all learned through my experience. Everyone is different so we will all have different opinions on the "Phone game."

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Please share the "What would have to happen" pattern. I don't think that
I have heard of it.

I message this chick on adultfriendfinder. (btw, does anyone else think that site is bullshit?)
she messages me back, we talk on msn. Nice and laid back chatting, bullshit back and forth, she can barely spell, doesn't understand much and 1 in 2 jokes she doesn't get. So she's not the brightest light bulb... but still shines.
I get her on facebook, full of pictures, 1000 friends, she's a blonde, looks decent but is no beauty... yet she is a model/gogo dancer/promoter blabla
I say how about going out sometime, she says sure. I get her number online... text her right away with a funny goodnight. don't get anything back.
today, two days later, chat again, agree to meet tonight. She said she'll text me or call me at 8 when she finishes her class.
Nothing comes so i txt her. The following are all txt messages.
8:30 ME: "Did you forget something?"
HER: "No whats up?"
ME: "I'll pick you up around 9:30?"
HER: "Ummm maybe".

at this point i'm thinking fuck, i messed up, so i hit the forums, get an idea and keep going:
ME: "Ok well i'm going out at 9:30 with or without you. If you wanna tag along, txt or call"
HER: "What you wanna do? lol"
ME: " You'll find out... if you come"
HER: "Meaning?"
ME: "Meaning that if you decide to come then i'll let you know where we're going".
HER: "Ur funny lol I give you that"
ME: "Thanks"

The last message, I figured if I just say thanks, i'll put the ball back in her court and she'll still have to message me saying that she wants to come.
Didn't work out as expected . It is now 10:30.

Some ideas?