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I'm interested to know whether you would go down on a girl you just met. Why/Why not?
Basically, I always go down if I'm gonna fuck a chick... That said, I definitely have high standards for who I'll fuck. And I know it's risky, but I don't do condoms... I figure, if I'm going down then, why the hell am I gonna worry about a condom... And I get tested regularly, so I'm not really putting anyone else at risk.

I ALWAYS interrogate them about STDs before I'll go down or fuck. And I've actually had a few girls tell me they had Herpes, so I just told them that we "Needed to wait until I got to know them better"... Which is obliviously code for "HELL THE FUCK NO BITCH! I'M NEVER GETTING NEAR THAT SHIT"

Going down first is actually an awesome way to deal with LMR... There's been MANY times where the girl was like "We can't have sex tonight... It's too early" and I was like "I know, It's way too early... But I AM going to have to eat your pussy... I can smell it from here and I have to eat it... It's all I'm gonna do"... Then 5-45min later, after 1-10 orgasms, she's practically BEGGING me to fuck her. I really love eating a chick out, so I don't have a problem doing it for a long time... And they usually don't complain either, lol. In fact, there's been several occasions where I've found out that the first thing they told their friends about how the date went how amazing the sex was... Which was, at least in part, due to the fact that I really like going down and don't have any hangups about it...


On a side note... I think there's many guys who would greatly improve their overall sexual abilities by mastering oral sex... Which has a lot to do with them becoming completely comfortable with it. I'm sure everyone here has noticed that some girls are really good at sucking cock, and some, well, just really SUCK... After asking many girls, it's pretty obvious to me that the ones who really like sucking cock are MUCH better at it, and the ones who don't are totally lame. If you think that you might not be so good at oral sex, then YOU'RE NOT. If you think that's the case, then ask someone who knows. I use essentially the same escalation technique with every girl, but I adjust the speed of escalation and the pressure of my touch based directly on the signals the girl gives me. The escalation technique I use is pretty simple, but each step is important. I've found that the MOST important thing is to NOT try to force her to come to early... It's pretty easy to overstimulate a girl and have her totally NOT want you down there... It's been years since that's happened to me, but I've learned the signs to watch out for. Anyways.If anyone wants to know what I do, I don't have a problem breaking it down.

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Yeah, I'm interested in learning how you escalate, pwscottiv.

I never really get any practice with oral. I used to think I shouldn't because it would make me seem like a beta male. I really like the your "But I AM going to have to eat your pussy..."--lets her know you're still in charge. Brilliant.


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well i posted something that fits in this post but in short i just talked my skillz up to this hb8 and kept on it and wispering in her ear and she couldnt take it no more and told me to just do it...so if you got the skillz talk that shit up guys it will pay off for you but be a gentlman if she says no just keep making it fun clean teasing and she is urs!!!!


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I am not ever planning on eating some chick out. I am not one to brag, but I am packing some serious horsemeat when it comes to the penis area, so I really have no real reason to do it.Now don't get me wrong, if that is what turns you and your target on, I'm not knocking it, but in my personal experiences, I have never had to perform oral or suggest it to someone in order to get them to bed. :lol:

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I am not ever planning on eating some chick out. I am not one to brag, but I am packing some serious horsemeat when it comes to the penis area, so I really have no real reason to do it.Now don't get me wrong, if that is what turns you and your target on, I'm not knocking it, but in my personal experiences, I have never had to perform oral or suggest it to someone in order to get them to bed. :lol:
lol, I know of more than one girl who refused to fuck a guy who had "serious horsemeat"... But obviously there's some girls out there who love it. There's also some girls out there who CAN'T come unless they get oral... With some, I've found, it works well to get them almost there with oral and then fuck them... With some, the only way I could get them to come was with oral, and with some I was able to get them to come many times in a row with just my dick... So you obviously are best to adjust what you do in response to what works for the girl... It's pretty messed up and selfish to think that just fucking "serious horsemeat" is going to do it for every girl... I'm sure there's many girls who won't come back for seconds if that's your philosophy... Obviously, there's girls out there who are fixated on getting "serious horsemeat" (just like some guys are obsessed with big breasts) and I'm sure finding one won't be a problem if that's what you're looking for. Personally, I'm well above average in size, and I've had complaints on many occasions that I'm going too deep. However, there's definitely a range of anatomical differences in women, so there's also been girls I could go "balls deep" with as much as I wanted without a problem. Short of the shock value that "serious horsemeat" provides, I'm perfectly content without it.

Also, for me, oral sex is NOT a replacement for intercourse... It's more like a delicious appetizer. It's also a way to make sure that she's going to have MANY orgasms right then and there. My record is 16 on the first night... See if you can do that with your dick alone. I've found that if I make a girl cum many times on the first night we're together, then she's almost 100% sure going to want to continue dating. I can't count how many times I've been told by a girl that during our first night together I made her come more times than she had ever previously in one night. And for a girl, I think that means a whole lot more to her than how big your dick is... Unless it's WAY below average... Then you may have problems.

And obviously, there's MANY other ways to deal with LMR... However, I SERIOUSLY doubt having "serious horsemeat" is one of them.

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Yeah, I'm interested in learning how you escalate, pwscottiv.

I never really get any practice with oral. I used to think I shouldn't because it would make me seem like a beta male. I really like the your "But I AM going to have to eat your pussy..."--lets her know you're still in charge. Brilliant.
OK, so first, you need to make sure that your finger nails are trimmed down and smooth. I've had complaints when I've forgotten to do so. Another thing that's also very important, actually the most important for the whole process, is to calibrate the amount of pressure you're using (i.e. when you're licking her clit and when you're fingering her g-spot). You'll almost always want to start off using very little pressure. When she's on the brink of cumming, if you apply a relatively large amount of pressure, you might be able to give her the best orgasm she's ever felt in her life. IF you apply too much pressure too soon (like if you get impatient and are trying to force her to cum) she could push you away and refuse to let you continue. I'll repeat, do not try to FORCE her to cum. The goal is to tease her and make her WANT to cum to build up a lot of sexual tension and then get her to release it in a tidal wave all at once.

So, assume at this point I've gotten the girl into bed by one of several methods... And I've escalated the kissing and touching and at a minimum everything above the waist is off... Sometimes I've just taken the pants and panties off in one motion because they were resisting having their pants taken off at all, but I usually am able to get the pants off and leave the panties fairly quickly.

From that point, I run kisses down her body... Starting at her neck, spending a decent amount of time at her breasts, her sides (flanks) (which are more sensitive than you'd think), and belly... I also keep going back up to kiss her higher, so she doesn't think I'm only just going down to her pussy... I've had several girls try to pull me back up if I just make essentially a line of kisses toward her pussy.

Once I get down there (panties are probably still on at this point, but not always), I kiss her inner thighs, eventually almost "accidentally"brushing up against her pussy (possibly still through the panties). Oh, also, this is a REALLY good time to, umm, "smell the roses" if something doesn't smell "right", then you can always go back up and stop the escalation without embarrassing her. The couple of times that's happened, I told her the next day in a very empathetic and compassionate way. Honestly, every girl gets yeast and bacterial infections, even if she's not having sex sometimes... And sometimes girls don't even know it.

Anyways, at this point if everything is good down there, I'll go to take off her panties... This is usually where I experience the most resistance. You can use the standard LMR techniques or, what I've found very effective is the whole "I'm ONLY going to eat you" tactic. Most girls convince themselves, that it's not sex if there's not penile penetration, so let them think that's as far as it's going to go... Because, once you get the panties off you're almost always golden (almost always).

After you get the panties off is a VERY good time to ask her if she has EVER had any sort of STD and to find out when the last time she was tested. The reason this time is so good to ask, is that by taking her panties off, she's pretty much resigned herself to at least having you lick her. If you ask before this point, it could potentially break the mood she's feeling and make the LMR more difficult to negotiate.

From there, I spend at last a couple minutes just building up to actually licking her pussy. This gets girls super hot. I just kiss all around the general area (inner thighs, lower belly, etc) and occasionally "accidentally" touch either my nose or tongue on her pussy.

The first real licks are VERY gentle... Just barely touching. I do many of the licks all the way from her vaginal opening up to just past the top of the clitoral hood.

After about 30-60sec of that I start licking with more and more pressure, still NOT at all focusing on her clit, but occasionally licking it "accidentally". This includes circling around her vaginal opening and licking/sucking her lips.

After about a minute of that I start focusing more on her clit. I try to keep the same rhythm of about 60 strokes a minute to start out. What works really well is to NOT lick in just one place. Have your tongue hit at a little bit different place each time... This helps to make sure you don't desensitize one area and it feel much better for her. What's important is to keep a regular rhythm. I keep this pretty slow rhythm going till just before she's about to cum.

After a minuite or so, then I'll put my index finger (first finger) in her all the way to the knuckle and sometimes pump it in and out a few times. Depending on how she reacts, I might do it only a few times or maybe like 30 times, it just depends on if she really likes it or not (some girls don't really have relatively much of a response to just having a finger going in and out of them) Sometimes I continue licking her clit while I introduce the finger and sometimes I'll stop licking... It doesn't seem to matter a whole lot.

While contiuing to lick her clit, I'll start rubbing her g-spot, or just a little bit deeper than it. The g-spot feels somewhat spongy and is the size of a walnut/plum. It's about 2-3 inches deep or most of your finger. I use the same technique on the g-spot that I use on the clit... Use a constant rhythm, but vary the location of your finger for each "rub". Use a "come hither" finger movement (like you're trying to pull her to you). Remember, do NOT use too much pressure too early. EVEN is she looks like she wants more... The goal is to TEASE her right now... NOT try to make her cum... Like I said earlier, if you try to make her cum too soon, it will probably ruin the experience for her. Much of the calibration you need to do is based on experience, but you can be nearly 100% sure that you aren't ever going to go too slow... So when in doubt, go slow (as far as increasing the amount of pressure you are applying to her clit and g-spot).

After that, I'll continue licking her clit and rubbing her g-spot, with the method I described above (constant speed, but varying the location slightly for each lick), except I'll also start varying the pressure of the licks and g-spot "rubs" as well. You want her to want your tongue and finger. I've noticed that many girls will push their pussy towards my face when I reduce the pressure of my licks... So I continue to tease them with the reduced pressure and occasionally "accidentally" give them a lick that's a bit harder than the others... Each one of those "accidental" licks usually elicits a pretty decent moan from most girls. I also use a little different pace for my finger and tongue to make it seem like a lot is going on down there all at once... For example, my tongue might be going at 60 licks per minute and my finger might be only rubbing at 30 per minute. For many girls, if they haven't cum already, they will very soon. Do NOT try to escalate the pressure/speed too fast. Let her cum on her own. If you're doing this correctly, 99% of the time the girl IS going to cum quickly.

If 5-10 minutes go by using the preceding technique and she hasn't cum, then you can try increasing the speed and pressure... I've found that it's better to increase the speed of licking her clit (and NOT increasing the pressure very much) and increasing the pressure I rub her g-spot with (but NOT increasing the speed).

When she starts to cum (which with some girls occasionally difficult to tell, because they're so quiet about it), then I usually increase the speed and pressure to a pretty high degree. I lick as fast and as hard as possible and rub her g-spot with maybe 3 or 4 times the pressure I had been using. If you do this before she starts to cum she's going to pull away from you super fast, cause it's going to be painful for her... But if you do it right when she tenses up, she will probably have the best orgasm she's ever had in her life.

Women are very similar to men with respect to them becoming super sensitive after they cum. I'm sure you've had the experience of a girl giving you a hand/blow job and rubbing you for too long after you cum... It feels kinda lame... And you stop her. Therefore, if you want to make her cum again (I had an ex who I made cum about 30 times in a row once using this technique), then you need to avoid rubbing her for too long. At the same time, you need to make sure she gets every last wonderful muscle contraction... So from the time that I increased my speed and pressure to 100%, I start slowing down over the period of about 10 seconds, but you'll need to calibrate for the girl obviously, because some will have a longer/shorter orgasm than others. I never take my tongue off her clit and I leave my finger on her g-spot, even when I've slowed down to the point where I am no longer moving either (within about 10 seconds after her first contraction). It's better to slow down sooner than later.

I leave my tongue and finger there without moving them for at least 30sec. And then, to gauge how sensitive she is, I will move either my tounge or finger just ever so slightly with VERY MINIMAL PRESSURE. If she doesn't jump or jerk, then try a bit more. The goal her is to stay BELOW that threshold where it's going to be uncomfortable... You do not want her to feel like she wants to push you away.

Also, as a side note, by this time your finger is probably "stuck" to her g-spot... By applying so much pressure for so long, I think most of the vaginal fluid is pushed away from the surface... The skin over the g-spot is able to move, so eventually your finger is staying on one place, even though your finger is still rubbing the g-spot... DO NOT try to remove your finger from the surface forcefully. If you want to fuck her after the first time she cums, then wait a little bit and rock your finger back and forth to re-introduce her natural lubrication onto the area below your finger or it WILL be uncomfortable for her.

Back to giving her multiple orgasms... Slowly increase the speed/pressure back to where you were licking and rubbing her at a somewhat slower pace. You may escalate faster this time, because most girls cum faster on subsequent attempts... Just remember to definitely tease her for a while to re-build the level of tension in her body.

You can use this technique over and over and over, but realize that the more you stimulate her, the more sensitive she'll be after each attempt. Therefore, you'll need to be much more careful when calibrating how much pressure/speed you should be applying.

Typically, on the first time I'm with a girl, I make her cum like this 2-3 times, wait a bit for her to recover and then fuck her. Then I'll wait for both of us to recover and fuck her again, depending on the night, sometimes that goes on till way past when the sun comes up. If you're interested in seeing a particular girl more than once, then this technique is guaranteed to have her cumming back for more.

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If you're interested in dating the girl, then why the hell would it matter if you go down on her now or later?... If you're only interested in fucking as many girls as possible, then I can totally understand. I guess you don't like getting your dick sucked, right? Or do you expect a girl to suck you, but you won't go down on her? What a bitch move that is.

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If you're interested in dating the girl, then why the hell would it matter if you go down on her now or later?... If you're only interested in fucking as many girls as possible, then I can totally understand. I guess you don't like getting your dick sucked, right? Or do you expect a girl to suck you, but you won't go down on her? What a bitch move that is.
Not sure what ur babbling about.......

But if ur going to go down on some girl u might at well not wear a condom either... safety first u can't tell if some girls clean just because they look good only an idiot would assume that a girl is clean


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If you're interested in dating the girl, then why the hell would it matter if you go down on her now or later?... If you're only interested in fucking as many girls as possible, then I can totally understand. I guess you don't like getting your dick sucked, right? Or do you expect a girl to suck you, but you won't go down on her? What a bitch move that is.
Not sure what ur babbling about.......

But if ur going to go down on some girl u might at well not wear a condom either... safety first u can't tell if some girls clean just because they look good only an idiot would assume that a girl is clean
OK, so when do YOU stop using a condom with a girl? Do you think after 3 times, 10 times, or however many times that you're going to just magically find out if she has HIV or herpes? Do you ALWAYS have a girl get tested for everything before you decide to not wear a condom? The reason I ask is because many guys will use a condom for the first few times and then stop, just because they think they KNOW the girl well enough to know if she has something - Which is a completely retarded mentality. Other guys are out to stick their dicks in as many different girls as possible... In that case, then I'd definitely recommend wearing a condom and NOT going down... There's no reason to go down if you're never gonna see the girl again. In fact, I imagine it's better to just pound her, cum and kick her out... Then she's almost guaranteed to have buyer's remorse and never bother you again (I wouldn't personally do this, but there's plenty of assholes out there who apparently do).

Personally, I've never had a one night stand... Which is ONLY because I've never wanted to. Additionally, I have NEVER lied to a girl to have sex with her. That's a bitch ass pussy move... Guys who do that need to grow some balls. With respect to sex, for me, girls fall into 3 categories:

1. I think the girl is attractive, I'd consider dating her and want to see her again. I will have sex with her at the first opportunity and it will probably be some of the best she's ever had, so she WILL come back for more. Additionally, by the way I've treated her in bed, she'll probably realize I'm a guy who actually cares about her happiness.

2. I think a girl is "fuckable", but she's not attractive enough to date. If she's ok with just having a "friends with benefits" type relationship, then I'm ok with that... As long as she agrees to tell me if she's going to have sex with someone else (for my safety). I rarely do this, because I'm looking for a LTR with the right girl, and FWB relationships tend to distract me from my goal. And it's less safe.

3. The girl is not attractive enough to even have a FWB relationship. I will not fuck her.

So basically what I'm saying is, why the hell should I wear a condom and not go down if I'm interested in having sex with a girl many times again... Eventually I'm gonna decide I don't want to anymore and stop... And that won't necessarily coincide with her being tested, although I usually request that they do ASAP, if they haven't recently. If you've built enough trust with her, and you confront her in the right way, then she'll probably be honest with you about having something if she does. If she's not honest about it at this point, then there's no way she's going to be honest about it once you've been dating for a while.

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i have no prob goin down on a girl, and it usually works out great.....thanks to the guy above for the long, yet informative write-up!!!!

A technique that seemed to work good too, at least for me, is while i'm down there..... I HUMM, it send tiny vibrations up her pussy.....

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1. I think the girl is attractive, I'd consider dating her and want to see her again. I will have sex with her at the first opportunity and it will probably be some of the best she's ever had, so she WILL come back for more. Additionally, by the way I've treated her in bed, she'll probably realize I'm a guy who actually cares about her happiness.
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2. I think a girl is "fuckable", but she's not attractive enough to date. If she's ok with just having a "friends with benefits" type relationship, then I'm ok with that... As long as she agrees to tell me if she's going to have sex with someone else (for my safety). I rarely do this, because I'm looking for a LTR with the right girl, and FWB relationships tend to distract me from my goal. And it's less safe.
"As long as she agrees to tell me if she's going to have sex with someone else (for my safety)." LOL!!! you seriously think a girl wouldn't LIE to u about having sex with other men... if thats your thought pattern be prepared to learn some hard lessons...... pwscottiv you are one of the most unrealistic individuals I've seen on this site


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1. I think the girl is attractive, I'd consider dating her and want to see her again. I will have sex with her at the first opportunity and it will probably be some of the best she's ever had, so she WILL come back for more. Additionally, by the way I've treated her in bed, she'll probably realize I'm a guy who actually cares about her happiness.
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2. I think a girl is "fuckable", but she's not attractive enough to date. If she's ok with just having a "friends with benefits" type relationship, then I'm ok with that... As long as she agrees to tell me if she's going to have sex with someone else (for my safety). I rarely do this, because I'm looking for a LTR with the right girl, and FWB relationships tend to distract me from my goal. And it's less safe.
"As long as she agrees to tell me if she's going to have sex with someone else (for my safety)." LOL!!! you seriously think a girl wouldn't LIE to u about having sex with other men... if thats your thought pattern be prepared to learn some hard lessons...... pwscottiv you are one of the most unrealistic individuals I've seen on this site
Coming from someone who sounds like he's never been able to achieve (or has even wanted to achieve) a high degree of intimacy with a woman, I can totally understand why you'd feel that way. Hard lessons? How old are you son? I'm guessing like 19 or 20 from those statements. I'm guessing that you've taught yourself a lot of "hard lessons" by holding onto the negative attitude you have. If you expect negative things to happen to you, then they will. I promise that. Sounds like you have a lot of work to do on your inner self.

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This thread has some really good information. You should listen to what pwscottiv has to say on the matter.

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