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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:44 pm 
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I met a girl in class over the summer. She is high energy, completely opposite of me (goes to bed at like 9 wakes up at 5, runs like 6 miles a day) and she seems to be a real "good" girl.

Either way we started talking and i made up some bullshit joke about how im gonna be rachel raying all summer with my new bomb ass kitchen and she ends up offering to make me dinner. (i challenged her that i was better) She bails on me bc she had a game she forgot about. We go out to dinner and all went well and i dropped her off afterwards (she had to go to sleep lol) but nothing really happened during the date.

This past week we went out to breakfast twice after class and one of hte nights i was supposed to hang out with her she bailed on me again saying she had to get to sleep since she was staying at a new house or some shit, but the entire conversation on the phone she sounded really nervous, and flirty -the same way my ex girlfriend would sound when we were going out. I simply said fine that it was okay and she asked me "how can you be so calm"? I thought i played this off well.

Either way the next day we go to breakfast and then i go to walk her dogs with her, i got decent kino as the dogs would stray back and forth and i had to change leash hands around her waist (there were 2 dogs) and than that night i came over to study at her place, since she offered "if i wanted", even though we were studying for seperate things. I stopped studying early since she was prone to go to bed and we watched some tv show dvd during which she was leaning forward petting the dog the whole time and showing me barely any attention, no eye contact, the lights were on, and an overall dull mood. She kicked me out saying she had to go to bed.

Being disappointed i told her upon leaving that one of the things i realyl liked about her was her energy and how she just didnt have it tonight and that i was disappointed. I hugged her bye and she told me to call her- at which i said i was busy and that if she wanted to ever do something she should call me. That was thursday and nothing. I havent made any contact with her at all. I dont get this girl, i could have sworn she was into me but shes bailed on me twice (although reluctantly) and its always her who asks me to get food and shit so idk whats wrong.

Is she just too good of a girl or something?? Im a newbie and i have no idea what im doing wrong. Sorry for the long post. PLEASE HELP ME!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:42 am 
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Two things spring up - it could be one or both.

1 - back offfffff. Sounds like you're almost following her around like a lost kitten.

2 - move faster. You may have already been LJBF'ded, but ramp up that sexual tension and stop hanging out with her like a bible study. This may be why she didn't have her same energy and why you haven't heard from her since. Good girls want the same thing as bad girls.

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Okay, its sounds like you didn't escalate fast enough with her and now you are stuck in limbo. Additionally it seems that you might be supplicating (Buying everything) to her. This is a very EZ way to lose attraction and shift youself into the LJBF/ Provider/ Orbiter role. I agree with infamous110 comments you seem that you are needy Big No No

So my advice to you is:

1. Drop this girl as a target. Take it as a learning experience. You can still be friends with her if you wish but move on or you risks stagnating your entire progress to become a good PUA.

2. Escalate faster get Kino going ASAP (play stupid games, play fight her, dance with her, anything that gets you touching comfortably) If you don't you will get stuck in an awkward stage.

3. In the future do not supplicate. This only show the girl that you feel that your of lesser value than her and will make things much harder for you. Note. buying a friend dinner or something nice is not always a bad thing but DO NOT do it to gain acceptance.


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Yea when we go out she's paid at least half the time. Actually she had paid more then not so i paid to make up for it once, but ur right idk what happened.

Today after class the guy i've seen in alot of her facebook pictures was outside and they walked all the way back holding hands (although she has never said she has a bf or anything about this guy) and i walked behind them the whole way. It was very awkward and i think she knew it was too, she never turned around but stopped once with him and saw me walk by. Either way for someone with a bf idk why she was asking me to dinner and shit.

What do i do now? I see her everyday in class. Should i just be nice but let it go altogether?? Should i not contact her at all or do anything else with her now? Should i ask her if that was in fact her bf??

I need some help guys but i do believe i should probably leave well enough alone with this one


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oh yea haha to be clear i wasnt stalking her or anything, my car was in the same direction, but i wasnt going to talk to her with that guy there and them holding hands.


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You were either pipped to the finish or they were together all along but she needed a bit of spice. Honestly, I don't think you provided enough spice.

Pursue other options and learn from this time. Be friendly - don't treat her any differently, but just don't make an effort to initiate contact. Let her do the work if she requires it - Girls LOVE to know that they have control over somebody; that they can make a call and have you there if they so choose. They're also attracted to the resistence to this - the guys they do this to quickly fall into the friend zone.

Don't ask her if it's her BF, don't ask the next girl if she has one.

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Ok you need to understand one thing about women. Most AFCs will only befriend members of the opposite sex in order to get sex in one way or another (Direct Target or thru a female friend). But women will actually be friends with you just to be to friends. She values your presence but is not attracted beyond that level. You most likely have become an orbiter for this girl. These men are called orbiters because they aren't a central part of her life and only fulfill a certain role in the women life as a friend (some are drivers, others are financial advantages, or help them get into clubs).

Furthermore I understand the whole "I'm not stalking her" thing its a common problem I had to deal with it at least three time while I was in HS. To you it might not be stalking but to her it could appears that way. THis might actually be the reason why she had her "BF" come by because she is trying to show you that she isn't available and furthermore the BF wants to protect his position.

This might sound might sound harsh and fucked up but it does happen, it is a reality. My roommates "GF" really fun girl good looking waitress. She has to deal with this kinda of thing all the time. She admits to the fact that she has orbiters (in other words) and she utilizes them often. She also has used her BF and me to CB.

Further Advise for you:

1. Disengage. Find other targets. That means don't focus on one girl. Go to a public gathering where women are in abundance and get used to approaching and escalating get Kino going.

2. Take Infamous110 advise don't ask about the BF and go ahead keep her as a friend. Who knows she might have cute friends.


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