FR+: Bringing the Culture Shock



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:52 am 
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Alright, here's my current situation. I'm in a pretty boring city at the moment during my summer break. I'm recovering from surgery on a loose-jointed shoulder and sick at the same time. Therefore, I can't really do much except for writing Field Reports from the past that I've never before chronicled. Alright, guys, let's travel back in time...

More than a month ago, I was in Seoul, South Korea, for vacation. I was born there, but I grew up in America. This is why I have a very American perspective, American values, American patriotism, and an American accent. I may be 100% Korean by blood, but I can hardly even speak the language.

I visited Korea from time to time over the years, but it was always just to visit family. I've never actually tasted the fun side of Seoul before. This time, however, I most certainly did. :twisted: The capital's nightlife was thriving, and some say that Seoul is basically the best place to party in Asia.

Before I even made any solid plans, I looked on the international Lair List to see if Korea had a PUA lair. Lo and behold, there was one called "Korea Lair," headed by a man who goes by BlueMystery, and the group was very active, full of dedicated English-speaking sargers. They were very welcoming and friendly; I even stayed over at BlueMystery's place one night after pulling a two-set with him there (details for that episode can be found in FR++: Team Play and Strong LMR).

Anyways, my first night sarging in Korea was at a relatively new club called Monkey Beach. I sarged with two guys from the lair, MiamiPUA and PUAofAsan. Monkey Beach was full of international people, so I was quite surprised at the lack of Korean I needed to speak to sarge in this country. Mostly everyone in the venue spoke English. Some girls spoke very little English, but that's OK.

After a little while I went over to the bar to try out their special on "bucket" drinks. As I got back to the rest of the guys, they were in set with two English-speaking Korean girls, HBAggressive and HBPassive. HBAggressive was the leader of the two. She was louder, more expressive, and a lot more open to kino. She was essentially the epitome of an extroverted personality. HBPassive was just the opposite. She was a little bit quieter, couldn't dance for shit, and a lot less open to kino. MiamiPUA was going for HBAggressive and PUAofAsan was winging him and going for HBPassive. I introduced myself to the group and the guys Accomplishment Intro me.

After a little while, PUAofAsan tells me in confidence, "Hey man, you can take her. She's not very kino compliant." He gave up on HBPassive and went off to run other sets.

I take HBPassive's hand and lead her (and the entire group) up to the dance floor. I start running a little dance floor game, but HBPassive's being a tough nut to crack. With persistence, however, she eventually warmed up to more and more kino until we were grinding. Before things got any hotter, the girls run off to the corner of the dance floor to have some girl talk. They glance over at me with some weird facial expressions. Finally, they come up to me and ask, "How old are you?"

Time-out. Let me tell you a little bit about the Korean culture before moving on with this story. You're supposed to refer to all your peers as your "older/younger brothers" or "older/younger sisters." An older peer always has the rights to the dominant frame, treating the younger person like a subordinate. Since the sexual dynamic between a male and a female naturally involves a dominant male and a submissive female, an older woman being involved with a younger male is practically forbidden. In fact, the very idea is downright ridiculous.

Now, let's see if my frame is strong enough to dominate the frame of this huge cultural tradition.

After some C&F banter, I reveal my true identity and tell them I'm SPAM. I mean, I tell them I'm 18. They freak out and won't even tell me how old they are. All I know is that they're between the ages of 20-something and 30. I treat it like it's no big deal, treating the girls like they're weird for making any sort of issue about it. They're throwing shit-tests at me like crazy now, telling me that I'm just a baby and that I look like I'm in high school or some shit like that. I brush off the tests like dust and reframe the entire situation. "Alright, listen. I know you two wish you were young again, so I've got a little present for you. Just for tonight, you two are going to be 18 all over again!" (said with kino of course) At first they responded like old people, "Ohhhh my god it's been so long since I was that age," but with a persistent positive frame I eventually got them excited about the idea. Hey, I already had them hooked before we even got on the dance floor. This was easy peasy at this phase of the game. I even did some takeaways and opened other sets to preserve my value. Attraction was building. Whenever they would try to frame my young age as a bad thing, I'd reframe by negging them for being old, following it up with something like, "but how does it feel to be young again tonight? Woohooo!" This strengthened the frame that young = good.

We all dance some more and the girls think I'm a crazy and insane, but really fun, awesome guy. HBPassive and I go to a table so we can refuel ourselves with the merriment of overpriced liquor. I then start to mirror her... very blatantly. I'm not trying to subtly mirror her to sneakily build rapport, I'm making it fucking obvious to tease her, to flirt with her. She then makes a few funny gestures, then some funny facial expression, and I copy every single move. She then makes a cute kissy face and leans in toward me just a little bit. I give her a kiss on the lips, and she pretends to be surprised and flustered to preserve her self-image in accordance to Korean culture. OK, I kiss-closed her. Now, what? Let's see if we can escalate it to a full-blown make-out.

After doing more stuff like talking and dancing, I kissed HBPassive several times, but each kiss was just like the last. Lips only. Things weren't escalating. Eventually, she ran off to the bathroom to piss or something. MiamiPUA was nowhere in sight. Where the hell did he go? HBAggressive and I danced because there was nothing else to do lol. HBAggressive and I clicked. We're both very kinesthetic and both love to dance... and we do it well. It was on and nothing else mattered. I've also been withholding attention by gaming HBPassive so much, so attraction was pretty solid. We kiss. With tongue. For about 3 seconds. Then she pushed me away and started yelling at me in Korean. :lol:

She was scolding me for basically seducing a "noona" (it means older sister in Korean). I keep my frame and facial expression and just pull her back in toward me to make out with her some more. Even though she's yelling at me, her tongue is very compliant and she's obviously enjoying the entire experience. After about 3 more seconds of making out, she pushes me away again and yells at me some more. Then I pull her back in to make out with her some more. This silly process goes on for a little while, and the push/pull (literally) dynamic is fun as fuck.

Then, it hit me. I just made out with MiamiPUA's target. Fuck. As soon as I see him again, the first thing I tell him is a confession. "Dude I just kiss-closed your target. It just happened." Fortunately, he's got an abundance mentality and tells me that it's cool. I calm down, though, and just play it cool for the rest of the night, working with more sets and being friendly with HBAggressive and HBPassive.

The clock eventually hits 3 AM and I'm dead tired. I decide to call it a night. Even though one of them was pretty dishonorable, two kiss-closes with older women who had pretty strong "culture-shields" marked a pretty successful night to me.


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Breaking social taboos for the win!

I'm actually surprised you got the shy girl to grind with you on the dance floor. Generally, girls that don't know how to dance are a bit reluctant with any sort of kino on the dance floor so I'm interested in how you escalated to that point, especially given the pre-existing social taboo. I'm guessing the liquor helped her with her inhibitions, but it'd still be interesting to see the DiCarlo ladder equivalent of kino escalation you used to achieve this.

P.S. I've never asked, but I've always suspected that girls go to the bathroom just to dance around in little circles while making giggling noises. Especially the socially repressed ones who finally meet a real man.

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grats on withstanding the shit tests. I would have just turned around to em and said hey if you cant handle the pace of a younger bloke thats your loss and moved on.

nice FR keep em coming

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I'm actually surprised you got the shy girl to grind with you on the dance floor. Generally, girls that don't know how to dance are a bit reluctant with any sort of kino on the dance floor so I'm interested in how you escalated to that point, especially given the pre-existing social taboo. I'm guessing the liquor helped her with her inhibitions, but it'd still be interesting to see the DiCarlo ladder equivalent of kino escalation you used to achieve this.
Of course the alcohol aided as a the social lubricant it's famous for being, but persistence helps a buttload. ace_of_spade's most recent LR is another good example of persistence (or ploughing, as he calls it).

PUAofAsan just chose to go a different route.


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sup chief.

i should've hollered at you. i was in south korea from may22nd-june24. t'was the best fucking time of my life if you ask me. the club scene and drinking scene is off the fucking wall and there are drop dead babes in apgeujong, kangnam, and shinbok.

i'm sure you noticed while there, but s. korea is an extremely superficial country. peacocking has an awesome effect an for me being half korean/german was like dropping a bombshell on the bitches. running game in korean is also hell of a lot easier if you ask me. it's more about going under the radar and being really agressive. those bitches be shy.

sounds like you had a blast aswell. next time i go (next year) i'll check out the lair.

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i'm sure you noticed while there, but s. korea is an extremely superficial country. peacocking has an awesome effect an for me being half korean/german was like dropping a bombshell on the bitches. running game in korean is also hell of a lot easier if you ask me. it's more about going under the radar and being really agressive. those bitches be shy.
Yeah dude I learned a lot while sarging there, and I noticed all of that, too. I want to go back next summer after learning more Korean so I can run game in the native language (and open any pretty girl I want without worrying about a language barrier). If I did that, I'm pretty sure I could be VERY successful there.


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Looking back at this experience made me realize that the key to passing shit tests is being confident that you are of high value and knowing with 100% certainty that the girls are already interested in you.


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