I'm used to "real-life sarging," not online matters. I'm usually good at quick and witty responses so I would think online gaming would lose most of comments in translation. I kept "sarging" in quotes because I don't think of myself as a PUA, but rather meet as many girls as possible and go from there.

I did describe my first (also first successful) pick-up after learning about PUAs here:
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But now I'm interested in a girl on facebook. I found her through the "friends you may know" and she has a lot of my mutual friends. We both went to the same college (she recently graduated) and I'm in need of online advice. Because we have mutual friends I don't wanna use a canned opener like "are you wearing a wig", etc... I don't think it'll work for her, nor do I wanna hear about it from friends - although I should be confident with a "joke."

I was thinking about not adding her as a friend but messaging her with something like:

"Facebook is telling me that we should be friends. But, I don't know... I'm not entirely convinced that you'd make a good friend. How do I know it's not a trap from facebook and you're secretly an obsessive stalker?"

I don't know, something along those lines. Stuff I'd say in person doesn't seem to quite fit or I'd come off as the stalker haha.

You know this girl, so you are right something that would be canned would be inappropriate here. You need to be your funny self! I like the suggested opener you put above. The reason I like it is that its original and it conveys your personality. You seem to have a pretty good grasp on things!

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hey dude....

this girl facebooked me recently....she is a girl i used to know when i was like.....13 or something.....i am 27 now......i remember having a huge crush on her but never making anything of it back then.....

now shes in town for about a week and has facebooked me just to say hi....
i facebooked back with some random humour story but no attempt to hang out yet.....she has written back with some enthusiastic interest......
just wondering what to say next and how to go about getting her to come hang out......any ideas?

Why not get her number and ask her to go do something. I hate to point out the painfully obvious but it's as simple as asking! Simply invite her out to do something, she did express interest in you by messaging you.

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ya i did....the whole "me and a group of people are going somewhere you should come if you want" seeding thing.....just wanted to see if you had any other ways of not projecting too much interest just yet. thanks though!

I want to go over something here. I'm not going to pick on you, but this is more of a generalization. Indirect game is absolutely great for group theories. You're disarming the group by not showing interest in your target, and it makes the interaction work very well.

With that being said, when you are working with a girl 1 on 1 there is no reason why you can't show interest more up front. You can use more direct game with her. You can do this without being a total push over though. I may make a comment like, "I'm interested in you...don't worry you'll probably say something to turn me away...as long as you don't speak we're GOLD!" It's a push pull method and it works well. You're expressing interest but you are keeping your frame.

Something else I may say is, "I'd like to meet you and get to know you better...don't get a big head on me or anything...all I'm promising is interesting conversation."

It's a way of showing interest in her which we need to do pretty soon so we're not put in the he just wants to be friends category. There is nothing wrong with doing this and it's perfectly natural.

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Okay, so recently I've been opening with the

"Are you wearing a wig...........or is that your real hair?"

and getting lots of positive responses from girls when I message them. And like others have noted, the hotter they are, the more detail they go into with their original response.

Which is why I was confused today when I recieved this:

"its a wig i have terminal cancer. fuck your mother" from a HB10

Now I'm not particularly concerned in picking this girl up, but just for learning purposes, how should I respond to a reaction like this? I'm assuming this is just an overly large bitch shield right?

I want to point out that this is probably bullshit and she's messing with us here. On the other hand it could be possible but unlikely.

Anyways, if we call her out on it and challenge a girl with a shield like this then she's going to get more defensive and that's counter productive to what we want to do. You can ignore the comment and start a new thread with her, which may work.

Very likely with this type of girl the best thing you can do is move on. She's going to be overly negative in her tones in her emails because she can at this point. She's already established she's going to be testing us at every single turn. Mostly it's going to be a waste of time, and easier to move on. I'm not saying you can't try but if I opened a girl in real life with that and that's how she responded, I'd walk to another set. Unless I saw she was joking.

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After a quick glance through my outbox I may have discovered why she came back with sucn hostility. I accidently sent the same message to this girl twice within a 6 minute timespan which may have made it seem like I was pressing the issue harder than I intended.

Anyways there was another girl that I'm talking to and after the cheating girlfriend opener I tried Mystery's Question game gambit. So far she's hooked pretty hard, when I asked her to play the game she responded about 15-20 minutes later:

"anddd you expect me to play this game with a complete stranger? lol"

I was thinking about saying something like "I'm assuming that's your first question, and yes." and just continuing the game from there.

Ideas/suggestions?

I like your idea here. I would say, "Your first questions was: "You expect me to play this game with a complete stranger?" Yes. My first question for you is....." You're by doing this she's going to continue with the interaction like there is nothing wrong with it and it's completely normal. That's exactly what you should be doing.

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Hey J Smooth, I am new here but have read all your posts and want to thank you in advace for your help.

The following is the conv I started with a HB10 on facebook....
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ME (opener her profile pic w/dog): "Your dog is sooo cute!! What's the bitch's name?"

HB10: "why do u say bitch ??? her name is layla !ha "

ME: (her name is Sarah)

"Sar,
I'm just letting you know that I'll be calling you Sar from now as that last "ah" is just too much for me to type. I'm a busy man with things to do... and Layla Oh my god I love that name... I use to have a pet Lion named Layla....too many memories I cant even talk to you now

David "


HB10: "you are silly and now im kinda confused lol "
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my question is for help to number close or ask out right for the date to " figure out what she's "confused" about ...something on those lines.... I would really appreciate your advice as to a response. and your thoughts on my exchange with her. She is def a 10!

Thanks,

David

There is no real right or wrong way to ask for a number close or date. I want to impress upon you that you should have enough attraction and comfort built before asking to get the best results.

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I'm not Jsmooth, but from my comparatively limited experience, it seems like your creeping her out so far... I wouldn't even think about asking for a date or her number yet, but again, that's just me.

where would be a good next step to test her....DHV or should I try to get IOIs with something like " you're cute for a miget but are you fun?" or "tell me something interesting about you." and if she reply like what? then respond with something on the lines of " you cant think of one thing intersting about you...this is getting bad. I better go"

if I am still in A2 (mystery method) can somweone help me transition from her response on being confused....

my concern is that her responses arent enough to really feel her out and I want to see what level of interest is ...as if she had NO interest she wouldnt waster her time responding so I take that as good sign.

thanks for everyones help in advance and thanks J smooth what would you suggest I do to make sure shes curious enough to move forward what would you reply to her with?

You need to use DHV embedded material. You just opened you are in A2. You don't really need to neg much online, as typically it doesn't come across the right way. You can save that for when you get her in person.

Secondly, I'm sorry I don't write online routine stacks, because it won't be specific to you and will be incongruent to her.
Why do we have to twist her words all the time, why not just cut that thread and start a new one that you want to use. This is much easier than trying to go of her confused statements.
Some people will just respond to be polite. I would take too much out of this. She may be interested but she isn't comfortable with you yet because there hasn't been time to establish that. You are going to need to go into a few stories before we worry about this.

I do agree though her responding consistently is a online IOI so to speak.

Once she's messaged you 2-3 more times back I would consider asking her for her Instant Messenger address so you can talk to her in real time. You'll be able to judge her interest level better doing that.

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