I am great at talking to girls, meeting them and closing and all. BUT I COMPLETELY SUCK with Kino and making moves. I feel almost too afraid to make any type of move past like high fives and brief touching.

For instance: I asked this girl I met awhile back, to go on a date with me.
1.)We played miniature golf and got Ice cream (2 hours)
2.)I met her at a party, as it was winding down (1 hour)
3.)We went out for lunch, then I as I was taking her home I asked her "if she wanted to hang out somewhere else for a bit". She said yea and we went to a park thats sort of hidden (3 hours)
4.)Her and 2 friends came over my house then we went for ice cream (1 1/2 hours)
then...
5.)Last night, I told her my parents were out of town and she came over. We went in the Jacuzi for about (2 hours) Then came inside and started a movie before falling asleep (she slept at my house, but on the couch) (30 minutes)

THATS 10 HOURS OF time together!!!

and the farthest I have gone is a hug and kiss on the cheek. The IOI's are there and all I just can't seem to pull the trigger for some reason. This is killing me because I know any decent guy probably would have boned her by now...

I have had this problem most of my life, as I am very laid back and almost wait for the girls to make a move on me... I know thats bad, but I am trying to be honest here. Please give me a pep talk or something: I feel like shit now...

Thanks,
Your buddy, Smarts

Don't fall into the fallacy that if you haven't boned a woman in seven hours, you're a hopeless failure. That's just the theoretical quickest amount of time that it could happen without it becoming a fool's mate scenario or creating a lot of drama later. That said, you know exactly what you're doing wrong here. Kino is one of the hardest parts of the game to pick up for your typical shy guy. I started out being particularly hopeless in this respect. The exercise I set for myself to get over it was to start asking women to dance. This is particularly difficult for a shy guy to do, and I certainly didn't know how to dance when I started. Dancing can be key to developing game - it provides a situation where you have to get over your insecurities, attacking your own comfort zone and building confidence out of necessity. The typical mental barriers to kino initialization are broken as soon as you start holding each other out there. I've had more kiss closes on the dance floor than anywhere else. Plus, having the confidence to ask a woman to an activity that she probably enjoys and that men stereotypically don't = instant DHV. Remember, boyo - she wants you to do it at some level, it's just a matter of removing the anxiety that you both have.

All this said, you're setting yourself up for a LJBF scenario here and you know it. It's time to shift the paradigm. You took her out for minigolf and ice cream (awww...) and took her home without anything happening. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Right now though, you're in danger of letting the comfort aspect go too far without cementing the attraction. Trust me, I've done it a million times. Next time you're setting up a meeting, you need to try something a little less safe. Find another party, and time your arrival better. It sounds like clubs and alcohol might not be age-appropriate here, so your choices are a bit limited.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with you. You're nervous and you're not having the success you want just yet. We have ALL been there. Keep us posted, and have some fun, for God's sake!

Thanks a lot man, I feel better after reading your post. I totally agree with the LJBF part, I fall into that category quite often because of my lack of aggression. Its soo odd though because when it comes to meeting and talking to women I am not that hesitant, but when it comes to Kino thats a completely new story. I was shy and am learning to get over it now, so you were right when you said kino is the hardest thing for a "shy" person to over come.

I definately will try to do the whole dancing thing. I can't dance at all, but I do have a good time out there and women love the energy I bring. Another thing i think i might do is try to find a gambit or something that requires me to be touchy feely.

Also I'm not really upset I haven't boned her, I am more upset with my lack of moves. I mean I should at least have made out with her or something after 10 hours together. Its odd to because I am fairly good at conversations through text and i talk a mean game, but then when it comes to real life its like whamm, I get hit with a brick.

Once again, Thanks a lot for your responce!

Here is something you should do:

Ask her out on another date. This time make it a place where you two can be alone and can talk about anything you please. Remember to keep game on her at the time when your alone. Since you are in the comfort zone already you don't have to worry about getting through that, last thing to do is to imprint attraction. Look around the forum for good attraction setters and then once you get to the point where you get confident enough to K-Close, then go for it.

OR

What you can do is during all the commotion of having fun during the date. Just stop instantly when a connection happens between the both of you. Get close (but not too close) to her and stare into her eyes for 3 seconds. If she doesn't say a word, go in for the kiss.

The above will definitely work when put in properly.

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I almost did something like that when she slept over a little after the movie started. It was like 7 am and I was tired after working, etc. so I told her I was going to bed and asked her if she wanted me to pull out another bed for her (i have a extra bed for guests) she didnt really say anything (i assumed she was sleepy) so I went to bed and slid way over in case she decided to join me in bed, because before she mentioned she loved cuddling.

She didn't come after 5 minutes and I was like I am tired of this shit, I want to go kiss her now. My plan was to just go out there and say "I wanted to do something before I regretted not doing it later on" then go in for the kiss on the lips. If she responded well, I was going to go back in with another kiss and continue from there. But when I went out to the family room I found her nearly asleep curled up in an akward ball.

So I played it off and went to the bathroom. Then I went back to my room and brought her a pillow. She was asleep by then so I lifted her head to put the pillow under her head and she like half of woke up. I just gave her the pillow and said good night then.