This is my first post on this forum, so let me start out by saying that the PUAS/gurus/naturals out there that spread their wisdom in this field earn my great respect. A GREAT shout of thanks to all of you that help/helped make this happen.

As far as I can remember, I've always been good with girls. I was never shy or nervous, and always recognized shit tests, and things they would do, and flirting is probably my greatest strength. The concept of anticipation (tension, teasing etc) is something I've always been good and ok with for a while. And I'm always getting better.


There is however, one part of the game I can straight up admit I suck at (DLV ahead):


AMOGS. HBS especially, are surrounded by them. Girls are often attracted to me off the bat by body language and what not, and they know im something different from the usual AFC (I'm 19, rarely are guys this good at this age). I usually get the girl. However, one common problem I'm seeing is that girls will either change their mind, or its a major DLV spike when they see that I'm not the leader, or get shat on in subtle ways by AMOGs, and the worst part is that I feel it happening.

I really am never nervous around girls, they really arent a threat, but that other huge dude that tries to play boss that puts me in my place. Its always a power battle with other guys, and I know I SHOULD WIN, but I dont. Its like subconsciously I know my place as a fucking beta. Im still confident, decisive and all that, and when its just me and the ladies I do awesome. Ive had girlfriends tell me that I'm perfect in every way, and that it kills it when they see other guys dominate me (subtly even).

Now, Im here because I know I can slowly improve this. Ive seen outer game methods of handling drunk AMOGs at bars, etc. But I'm wondering if anyone can relate to this problem. I don't want to be a douchebag, but I don't want to get walked all over by AMOGs either. I'd like to know if anyone has any solutions to this problem, or ideas for when meeting other guys for the first time, and setting the hierarchy right. Inner game tips for handling guys, if you will.




Thanks for reading long ass first post (my first post asks for tips, such a needy guy). I appreciate any comments, because fixing this would make my game skyrocket.



PS: Im 5'11, and bench 210.
I could probably take on the average dude.
I don't sarge, but I always meet new groups at parties, bars, through friends etc.
Im not a pussy or coward, but its like inside im a pacifist and supplicate to the Alphas subconsciously, to avoid confrontations almost.
I also recently started kickboxing, it has helped a little.

It's all about reframing your beliefs- to do this I used affirmations and lists of my strengths and WHY I'm the alpha male. You first have to believe you are the alpha male, or you will submit to your subconscious which currently says that you are inferior. No matter how much you try to think or convince yourself that you are the alpha in the group, if you 'know' you are the beta male, you will always be the beta male.

Get in the ring and fight. That's it. You do kickboxing? Go a few rounds with a sparring partner. There is no greater confidence booster than knowing that you can handle yourself in a physical confrontation. So when you act alpha in a group, you KNOW you ARE the alpha male there, the one who kicks ass and gets the girls.

Of course, as Sun Tsu once said, "Winning shows strength. Winning without fighting shows true skill."

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Ultimate AMOG neutralizer:

When you are in a group that includes you, the AMOG and the HB, as soon as the AMOG starts to shit on you say, "Wow look at Florence Nightengale here."

Following that immediately turn to the girl and say "I can see he likes me, but hes not gonna start humping my leg, right?"

Then turn to the AMOG and say "haha Im just kidding man, were cool."

If he says something stupid like 'No, were not cool", just say that hes being moody, and hell be over it in a couple days.

Florence Nightengale, btw, is a woman from the early 1800s famous for spreading the word of god and peace, thus making your comment ironic, not insulting. But seeing as he wont have a fucking clue who you are talking about, he will not have an appropriate response, putting you in the drivers seat of the conversation. The only challenge is figuring out what to say next.

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Since I learned fighting and buffed up, it has increased my confidence dramatically. It's like I automatically assume about each guy: he is no threat to me, I could knock him out. Then there are a few who are bigger than me and I view them on the same level, still never higher

The most useful AMOG training I've seen was in the Mind of Mystery DVD program.

If you don't know what to do with what I've told you above, ask some Asian guy for help. Tell him "Yarrrrr..."

Unless they're directly trying to take your own value down then let them do their thing. You don't have to be loud and abrasive to be ALPHA.

In one of David Deangelos Interview series' his interviewee talks about a couple guys he knew in High School. One guy was described as being very popular, big, loud, friends with everyone, always coming up and giving hugs, making people laugh, life of the party, etc. Now this guy did ok with girls but it was his friend who often sat in the background and was much more soft spoken who was always the one who got all the girls. The interviewee never understood why until later in life when he learned ALPHA. Upon reflecting back, he saw the the big, loud, fun guy was that way to mask many insecurities while the other guy did countless subtle things that demonstrated he was confident, completely comfortable in his skin and in control of his domain at all times.

It may feel like they dominate the group, and, in most cases they do. However just because more eyes are on them during the course of a social session doesn't mean they're going to go home with the girl. You have huge advantage when it comes to that!

.a

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Although they get mixed reviews Tyler Durden and Real Social Dynamics have supposedly got some good stuff on Dealing with AMOGS and been meaning to check it out even Style mentioned it himself in the Game prob worth looking at it.

Another bit of advice i could give is do what Psychologists call going Native. Do you have any friends who you would could see as being AMOGish if so perhaps if you spent more time with those friends In a social environment where you are not competing for female attention you'll find some of there traits might rub off on you which can be applied to your inner game.

I used to be fairly shy and lacking confidence and a bit of a doormat but then for some Bizare reason I joined the army which is a bit of an AMOG nest although i have left now I found I picked up alot of there traits and come across to some as a bit of an AMOG myself.

Im not suggesting you do something as drastic as joining the army! But if you have any friends who are AMOGS perhaps if you go for a few beers with them you'll find you naturally pick up a bit of there body language. Its what they call mirroring in NLP.

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That´s a very good point. I suffer from a similar pšroblem especially against natural alphas. I have hugely fluctuating confidence at the moment so that doesn´t help although I know I can counter that.

What is bad is that I don´t have a very successful past with women and so that always plays on my mind. It´s tough to tell yourself that she wants you over the other guy when in the past this hasn´t been the case. Do you know what I mean??