lately I cant seem to number close...

heres the first scenario: during the college school year I had this girl in my class and she was giving me good signals so I facebooked her. When she saw me she'd smile at me and one time I caught her staring at me for a good 5-10 seconds with the doggy dinner bowl look. We would say hi to each other in the hall and i'd hit her up with a little C&F from time to time. I talked to her on instant message it was a really short convo and she mentioned that she was taking summer classes so I wrote her a message on facebook saying this...

June 22 at 11:00pm
so you mentioned earlier that you're taking summer classes... first that's a major eww lol and second that leads me to believe that you live by rochester.... sometime in august I dont know when, i'll be moving in my house on french...let me get your number and we'll get together sometime you seem like an interesting person... by the way if you're taking summer classes you're probably a PT major so give a holler to my buddies greg blanchard and mike ellis
she hasnt wrote me a reply...

second scenario: I saw this girl at a neighborhood get together, we used to be in sailing and we used to hang out. I noticed she kept looking at me and shooting me glances during the event so I went over and talked to her and said we should play tennis sometime. Later I facebooked her because I realized I forgot to get her number, and the conversation went like this


Jake
June 19 at 2:30pm
hey whats up Staci this is Jake. When I talked to you the other day you seemed to be an interesting person with a positive energy. I said i'd get a hold of you so i'm sending this message. By the way if you didnt know I was clearly kidding when I said that you were butch because you were a field hockey player. I actually had an ex girlfriend that played field hockey so I think that's pretty cool. Now I can't remember since its been a while since we talked, was it you that had a house down by the lake that you visit during the summer?

Staci
June 19 at 9:00pm
no.. im katies cousin and live up on 18 before you turn down ****road. lol. but i go to b*** so im not around much
and yea i knew you were kidding about me being butch.. obviously im not.. hahaha

Jake
June 22 at 11:29am
lol... when do you get out of school? I"m busy all the time but I can make room for you sometime. I've been wanting to hijack one of those 420 sailboats and i'm gonna need someone to work the jib. What's your s/n?

Staci
June 22 at 7:13pm
haha 420s... lol.. me you and katie should go during one of the sailing weeks haha but ya ive benn done with school for like 2 weeks now..

and my s/n is mznoonies1 .. but im like almost never on

Jake
June 26 at 6:38pm
whats up dork? well just give me your cell # then the whole point of your s/n was to set something up anyway. Oh and I need something different than Staci to put in my phone cause I have a couple of stacis already do you have any nick names?
oh my god talking about sailing brought back some great memories. Do you remember all those dumb little games like catch the killer, samurai, tree tag etc? great times. I remember I owned every year at that orange paddle regata thing. I miss my boys stewie and noah i'll have to get in touch with them. oh by the way I remember this one time you and me were sailing and you were the captain and you didnt tell me when you were turning and you let the boom smack right into my head. I dont know if I want to go sailing with you anymore I cant have my face be messed up because its gonna make me a lot of money someday. I know, i'll tie you up to a tube behind the sailboat and you can tag along haha

...she hasnt replied to that message yet...
do you guys have any suggestions as to what i'm doing wrong? I used to be able to number close with no problem in high school using similar tactics but lately i've been batting .000....

The above parts sound WAY needy, and although you try to cover it up with c/f, ultimately those girls can see through that shit, and your intentions.
You're apologizing, therefore relinquishing your power and giving it to her. Of course she knew you were fuckin' jokin!

Also all your DHV stories, about when you guys were younger, seem too pre-meditated and OTT. I mean THEY might not even remember that shit and they might find it creepy that you do?

I know the whole purpose is to get a number, but maybe you ain't built enough attraction. Hmm..

The way I would do it:

-I would keep first message light SHORT and funny.

-It's like your first messages are WAY too heavy and long. Only start going into DHV routines if she reciprocates .

-Ultimately, I wouldn't ask directly for their number. Fucking difficult I know. But I'd wait until you've built enough attraction, drop hints of a date and hopefully she'll ask you or give you enough IOI's to let you know.

When she does, push her away ... then reel her back in.

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Dont say things like 'let me get your #', but something more like 'send me your number and i'll call you sometime'.
Have a search on google for # closing.
Also while reading that it sounds try hard, in the way you're eager to arrange something and keep asking her things.
And the main thing, stop facebooking people. Its a thousand times harder to number close someone online, make it easy on yourself and get the # there and then. Its so much easier for them to say no or ignore whilst asking in writing.

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Try communicating your thoughts in less space. When you write so much most of it seems irrelevant and comes across as very needy. You should save the big stories for when you actually see her in person. Be mysterious and busy...make the girl try to chase you and not the other way around. Before you send a message, read it out loud to yourself several times and remove any unnecessary clutter that you don't need.

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thanks for your input guys... do you think I should just completely ignore her now? i'm going to see the one girl at a party later this month and I feel like its going to be a little weird but i'll just have to run sets and show some disinterest even though I showed way too much interest by trying to # close too fast