I'm real down in the dumps with my pua material at the moment, I guess I've lost track of where to start and where to begin with a routine, I know if I had the correct formula I can pull it off easily, but now I'm just lost track of where to begin when engaging a women in conversation.

I'm at that exact stage also. I just can't think of anything that can attract a woman. I know to Open>Neg>DHV>Kino>Comfort Build>Escalate>Close. I know to use a time constraint and above all, to show social value.

But It's all a mess I really don't know what i'm doing, end up fluffing, Ejecting Without Attracting (EWA).

I suck at the game right now

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"The Game.... Is 90% Confidence, 9% Technique, and 1% Looks. You can't win unless you play it"

The answer to both of your problems lies right there in The Visionist's signature.

Boys, boys......

C'mon on - out of the AFC zone both of you!

Firstly - two negatives don't make a positive. If you think negatively, you will attract nothing but negativity around you.

Secondly - I think you are both making this too mechanical. I'd say you are trying to take the material too literally. As I keep saying, the guides are just that - guides. They are the tools, you are the artist.

The fact you are both here means one thing - you've had the balls to try!

This is not the time to stop!

If your approach dosen't work - change it, but remember - the same approach won't work every time. Theres no magic single approach. Girls are different. Different things work on different girls. The trick is to assess the situation and adapt an approach to suit. If you can do that, the rest will follow.

It does sound like you're being too mechanical indeed. From what I can tell a lot of beginner PUAs suffer from this. They get so wrapped up in process that they forget the end result is to just be able to meet and have great life experiences with women and HAVE FUN. This is what INNER GAME is all about. Women can sense when your inner game is all screwed up. You can say and do all the right things at all the right times but if its not all together on the inside you've already lost. Sometimes you just have to put process on the back burner and just be a fun, confident and a great guy to be around. That's it.