Great stuff J...thanks....much appreciated...some great responses that i'll be using! Much better then mine!!

You're welcome! This is great to use in field to handle people trying to control the conversations, and AMOGs. Take their statements and questions and move it in a totally crazy direction like I did with the popsicle thing. It throws them off, and they have no where to go with it.

I LOVE THIS STUFF!!!

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Hey, J. Great thread so far... lots of useful stuff in here

I've been cruising POF (Plentyoffish.com) and just messaging anyone I can find over HB7, to test some openers and have some fun I guess. This is more of a task than I originally though, because apparently all of my "matches" are fat chicks, or baby momma drama.

The thing about this site is, you're actually forced to write some kind of profile, so most girls have a novel about their likes/dislikes all laid out for the world to see. I tend not to trust the majority of what I read on the 'net, because, let's face it... only so many people ACTUALLY like long walks, horseback riding, and all the other cliche crap people write on these things.

So far, I've just been picking small bits from the profile, and going for cocky funny or opinion openers, or a combination of both. I'm not getting much in the way of responses, though. I went for cocky funny on the profile, and it's basically all things I would say in any conversation, but I'm thinking it might be too much.

here's a link: http://www.plentyoffish.com/member8069873.htm

Maybe you could give me some pointers?

Looking at your profile, I like the fact that you have pictures of you at the DJ booth, and a picture of you with some women, and out with friends. This shows pre-selection of course but also that you have a life.

Your profile is little too short. Granted I like what you wrote it's certainly cocky funny. I was snickering when I read it. I think you should include a little bit more information though. You don't have much on here about you or what you are looking for.

A big mistake with this is like you hate, when people write a short novel about everything. I would write one descent paragraph going over the type of girl you're looking for. Also, the same with one about you. Don't make a big list or anything but list 3-4 qualities you want in a girl.

If I'm a girl, I can see your profile and see that you are a DJ, social, funny, and seem pretty confident overall. I can also see that you are pre-selected by women, and are probably a safe guy. I really can't get a feel for much else though. What else do you want them to know?

The other part is, if I'm a girl, all I know is you're looking for a girl that doesn't smoke, not married, and must live in Canada. I have no idea what qualities you are looking for and if I'm compatible.

Otherwise, I'd say your openers are pretty normal to use, and they should be working. I'm thinking the lack of information on your profile might be hurting you.

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What do you think about the New PUA song called Mystery Method and Style Life on stunpals.com?

Sweet. I'll try that out, and let ya know if I see some results

Awesome man, let us know how it works!

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That's pretty cool man, I'll have to listen to that before I go out tonight.

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Thanx J...that's what I did. Now, we have yet to meet, I anticipate a date shortly. Im thinking about keeping our meeting low pressure. Throwing out the idea that women have a good sense of fashion and that I was planning on picking up a new pair of shoes or cologne at our local mall. Maybe she can tag along.

Is that a good idea?

Should I do the qualification material on her...

What does she feel are her best qualities to offer?

Why should I go out with her?

Can she cook?

Im sure you get the idea, or is there something that work better or should I avoid that completely...granted I would do this while having a coffee or lunch. Im sure we will talk over the phone, but it's been years since I've been on a date so I can use the help.

Thank you for all the advice...it's been good so far.

You're welcome! It seems like you are doing just fine on your own here. You have the right idea inviting her to help you to do something that it seems like you're already doing. She doesn't see you going out of your way to make time for her. You're inviting her into your world for a little while. This is exactly what you should be doing!

Also, yes I would get her with you and while shopping go through some qualifying with her, then just launch into comfort building.

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Not totally sure if this belongs in the online sticky since technically I have phone-closed, but here goes:

I am currently in Las Vegas for the World Series of Poker. I'm a professional poker player.

Saw a girl on POF who is cute and unlike most on POF seems to have a brain. Her profile mentioned travel so I DHV'd by mentioning some of the places I've been and am going soon, and asked her where she is going. She said she was jealous I get to travel so much. I continued to DHV by mentioning that I've been into hobbies that she just started that I've been doing for a while.

There were a few more messages; I won't bore with details but overall I think I played very well and piqued her interest. I told her to come down to visit me in a poker tournament I'm playing this week. She said that sounded really exciting, so I said give you my phone number and I will text you. She complied.

Moving to phone game: I texted and again invited her to come down. She asked "is today the only day you're playing", and I mentioned I was also playing tomorrow. There was no response to this. The next day I was one of the leaders in the tournament so I texted her saying she should come cheer me on and bring me good luck. She said ":( weekdays are busy, I should have come yesterday". I responded, "yes, you're lame!" Her: "awww, don't say that! How late do you play to?" I phoned her to tell her, but then she never showed.

So after two blowoffs (which may or may not be due to how busy she was with work/school) I'm not sure how to proceed. I figured messaging further when I was the last to message would DLV, so I have gone over 24 hours with no communication. Should I continue to freezeout and hope she contacts and was telling the truth about weekdays? Or should I be aggressive tomorrow since it's a weekend?

First off I want to say that I love playing poker. I don't get to do it as often as I want, but I play online some. Who doesn't want to go pro? Anyways, I see your point. You've frozen her out for a solid 24 hours after she went flakey on you. Most guys would say that you should continue the freeze out until she calls. I personally would call her and be aggressive about her coming by it's the weekend after all.

We really don't have a lot of time to play the game back and forth and do lengthy freeze outs. So invite her out, and see what happens. She very well may flake again. If she does I would call or text her anymore. Move on unless somehow she reintiates conversation with you.

I kind of go by the old 3 strikes and you're out rule. She goofs up bad like that 3 times, then it's time to rule her out.

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Yeah, poker just started out as a hobby for me, then I realized I was making more money at it than I was at my job, so there you go. The games now are a lot tougher than when I started out as a pro, so it's tough to break through.

So I just called. Mentioned that I was taking a day off today. It's 3pm right now and she says she had dinner with her mom at 6pm. I said let's get together and do the ESPN Sports Zone thing (it's one of those big things where you shoot baskets, play air hockey, shoot laser guns, etc.) at 8pm. She said "I'm not very good at sports" to which I said, "oh, that makes it even better. I promise not to laugh *too* hard!" She asked if I will at least promise to turn away before laughing, so it's a date.

So that's the plan. Thanks for your comment.

Wow, how lame, she cancelled out of being tired. Says she was out late last night and the food now is making her sleepy. "I don't think I'd be much fun." When she apologized I tried to be as nonchalant as possible, and she responded with whether I was free tomorrow. I thought this was stringing me along, so I didn't go with it and said I'd be playing a tournament tomorrow (which is probably true). She said she would be available to come down tomorrow and I should call her to let her know what table I would be at, but at this point she seems like a flake at best and pulling my strings at worst, so I'm considering just punting. A bit disappointing since she seemed interesting.

OUCH!!! Those are some pretty cruddy reason to blow you off. You know there are some people out there that are just flakes in everything. They flake on their friends and their family. Just keep her in the rotation of girls that you call, just don't prioritze anything for her until she gives you a reason to.

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