sticking point:
Avoid talking verbally on the dance floor to girls. They'll just assume you're creepy and trying to hit on them. They're already in shielded mode and it wont matter if you dance well or not in this instance.

exceptions:
-you already know the girl from before
-she is giving major IOIs like grinding on you

summary:
95% of communication on the dancefloor is non-verbal and mostly in how you dance. Keep a smile on your face and appear to have fun.

gl

On subject, how do you start dancing with a girl? Im not really the type of guy to just grab a girl by the waist and start dancing, I try to make eye contact and then move in (its not working as well I as had hoped),
also not that good of a dancer.

girls obv dont like random guys just coming up and grinding on them from behind in general.

I think being able to mimick their hip movements is pretty important. Doesn't have to be exact but you should have the hula hoop / figure 8 movement down pat. Once you're in synch with her move closer and use some eye contact to see if she's interested or not. Being confident and keeping a smile helps. I even use a 'come over here motion' when I'm right beside her.

Screw grinding! Learn how to really dance.

The dance floor can be a great way to game, if you know how to dance well. I just go to a club and start popping. I don't even need game a lot of the time after that. Girls will just walk up to you or send you IOI's from across the room. Many of them will be hot, since ALL girls like a good dancer. Whenever I go to a club or party, I'm THE hottest guy there. Girls will straight up ignore a guy gaming them just to watch me do my routines. Seeing a skilled dancer is so rare, they don't want to miss it.

You've established that you're a fun and confident guy (since you're putting on a show). You've established your status, since every other guy will stop dancing so as not to embarrass himself next to you (I've had guys straight up walk off to the side of the room). You're in a league of your own. 50-100 guys can game in a club; how many of them can dance? You don't need to overcome any b*tch shield, since the girl's interest in you was completely voluntary. Last but not least, you've given interested girls an opening to approach you with ("Wow, I like you're dancing, you're really good!").

If you doubt the effectiveness of dancing: I once had a HB7 convince a mutual friend to ask me to drive her home. I never said a word to her the whole time at the party; she didn't even know my name. Seeing me dance was all the reason she needed to want to know me. Unfortunately, my other female friend (had a crush on me) c-blocked me by getting into the passenger seat, and trapping me in a conversation with her. My point is, though, that it truly is a very effective tool to get girls.

It might sound like a lot of work, but learning to be really good only takes about 1-2 years. Since you're going to be spending that much time learning how to game, anyways, you might as well learn some dance steps, too.

Just don't dance if I come into the club, cause I'll wipe the floor with you.

I was talking for the average dancer.

I wouldn't dismiss grinding - it's def a good skill to have on the dancefloor. Nothing like a group of 6 girls mobbing/grinding/on you at the same time.

IMO you're not a good dancer until you're good at ALL elements of freestyling (pop, break, walk, krump, hip hop/choreagraphy/popular dances)

If you are close to a girl and make eye contact with her, hold the eye contact then walk up to her and stick your hand out. KEEP EYE CONTACT! Do not look down at your hand. If you display enough confidence and she is not a bitch, theres a good chance she will grab your hand. You then spin her around and start dancing and you're in!
I'm not a great dancer but I have had success doing this. If you spin a girl around it makes it look like you know what you're doing (even if you don't!)

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From my experiences with D floor game, non verbal is definetly a big part of it. Looking like your having the best night of your life and like "people should pay to live like you" (yes i'm stealing it from seinfeld, but thats what i put in my head some times for inner game) Smile whic has already been said... and yes the spin routine works as a good opener and opens the way with negs about her spin etc... but i see this overly used by people im guessing dont even know about game.

Another good non verbal opener that ive found can work is a simple hand signal. you get your IoI's with eye contact an such... the girls will usually place themselves near you anyway since your having so much fun and they want to be opened on. If they take a photo of themselves having a good time... sneak a peak over the shoulder of the person who took the photo (the person taking the photo usually puts their back to you and your group of friends having your awsome time, so that the girls "posing" can see you looking at them and they get to see you look at them... the next part seems to work well with any group with an average of 7-9+ raiting... just use your hand to say "meh" or "average" or "I dunno" or "i've seen better" to the targets. They will imediatly jump in to defend themselves jokingly... with body langaue or verbal along the lines of "As if... we are top shit... who do you think you are" Just rub your eyes like you've just gotten up in the morning and you can keep it non verbal to get the points across of "Sorry it was dark", or i had something in my eye... or "on second thought... not too bad"... you've shown intrest and negged all in opening with body language... you can shrug to say "well hey... i have seen better..."

If there are other guys oggling the group of girls and saying how hot they are... trying to hit on them... go against the grain with the "meh" reaction and you get the same things happening most times... the girls get defensive jokingly... jsut make sure the guys that have hit on them arent too far into building up their attraction when you do this...

So many choices... read their reactions with practise and before you know it you'll be leading them off the D floor to chat or maybe you will have just skipped the talking stage and gone to a K close...

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Blak000 is correct.

The value of being a dancer, to women, is to that of gold. Barely any men can dance, those that can, not all are excellent.

Ive done salsa dancing for 1 year, going very well!

Dancing with girls is what I call "Legal Kino" (copyright student x ltd) it is not necessarily threatening ,even though it may be sexual, because your are "dancing".

Dancefloor game? Well obviously you should dance and look like you are having a good time, be purposeful. If possible bring a girl FROM the bar to the dancefloor, dance with her then when you are on the floor you have instant social proof that you can dance with women. even though people may be drunk and oblivious to all of this, never forget how many eyes COULD be potentially watching you, every little helps.

Unless some girl on the floor was my "mission" or something, I would keep the dancing to a max, and explicit gaming and talking to an absolute minimum, show purpose!

A girl will more than likely come up to you if you dance well, you can then take her off the floor and talk somewhere quieter perhaps.

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Someone made a good point about this the other week. Can't remember the post. But basically, at some point you need to talk to her on the dance floor in order to get her elsewhere. I think the key rule was never to shout as it lowers your value.

it is underestimated how important this is if you are going to attempt dancing. some people i've seen just walk right onto the floor and open a routine and that seems to work as far as i've witnessed, but if you are going to dance and don't know how, practice. a good dancer is loose, energetic and enjoying themself.

check out this vid, helped me learn a few basics and isn't corny or over the top, this guy knows what he's talking about for the beginner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kZJu9FJOw

Have done some more experimenting out in the field. More dance game points:

- putting on a good show in the circles (breaking, popping, etc) is easiest way to dance with girl of your choice. Your social proof is through the roof. But not everyone can do this.

- my method of choice is approaching from the side (side to side) gently putting a hand on her back and asking if she would like to dance. You must ask this slowly, loudly without shouting, and have at least a slight smile on your face. Cleanly shaven, hair not scraggly, nice shirt/shoes is assumed.

- the "alpha and in command" method of just pulling a girl to dance with you without asking works some of the time but much less

- two girls dancing together is like an impenetrable bitch shield with very low % of dance rate. Trick is to have a buddy dance approach / dance with friend at the same time. Or look for girl groups 3+ for higher success rate if alone at the time.

- if you do happen to see two girlfriends together. A guy approach and start to dance with one of them - her friend will be MUCH more willing to dance with her.

- put a hand or two on or hips and start dancing. Your hands besides kino should be figuring out her hip movements so you can match them. Be able to move your hips with the beat!

hip hop dancing 101:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhdlZCmO ... annel_page

im new to pua only been into it for a month but i am a dam good dancer, and i get people complimenting me and girls dancing around me all the time but what happens is when they dance near me i don't do anything about it cos its feels like there is a physical bock there.
For u guys i don't recommend salsa cos u cant really use it in club and it looks a bit gay, i leant how to dance within a matter of weeks and all i did go to clubs with my mates and look at reasonably good dancers and u will automatically pick up which are the good moves and which are the bad ones and soon it will just come naturally.

What I like to do is make eye contact and wrap my arm around them ( shoulder height ) because I don't like to go straight for the waist as it might seem awkward.So I wrap my arm around a girl , I open make a quick C&F joke and we're dancing !

the dance floor is like poltergeist, don't look at the light, do go towards the light