I've been mentoring newbies here mostly for the past month or so but I've ran into too things I can't quite solve.. ..maybe someone here like daziel or hobbit can help me out.

A. "was at the gym today tlaking to some girls in the hot tub, but one fo them turned and started chatting to the staff without engaging anyone in the group, this presents two clear problems.

1. If an AMOG enters the set and you can't hear what he's saying and he's not allowing himself to be associated with the group, how do you remove him if he becomes a potential threat?

2. How do you demonstarte dominance over him (if you had too) when he clearly holds the power (him being one of the gym staff)

B. To Direct PUA's, I'm writing a book up on my particular style of PU, which is mosty indirect but jumps into direct when escalating/isolating etc. So I'm just trying to get a clearer understanding of the mechanics of Direct PU...


1. What is your opinion on "the comfort stage" and how do you(when you are working 100% direct) build/show so much attraction then assure that she doesn't freak out?

I'm talking in situations like "hi you're gorgeous lets meet up, write down your number" *leave* and then ensure that the number is good.

Cheers guys.

You don't. Befriend him instead. If you are sure of yourself then you have no reason to see him as a threat, do you? Think about that. He's not gonna steal her from you. Trying to get rid of him when he is being nice to the group makes you look insecure.
You don't. He has no power over you unless you're doing something to break the rules. Just let him do his thing and watch him get blown off. If he does manage to win her over, then she wasn't planning to be with you in the first place - so relax. You can't win them all and accepting this fact is part of being an alpha male.
I'm gonna have to point out a couple of things here cos that's not a good example of direct approach and I wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong idea.

1. When going direct you shouldn't compliment her like that. Telling her she is beautiful is letting her know that she is better looking than most of the girls you are with and that she is the prize instead of you. Instead, tell her she looks cool or fun or interesting. Don't compliment her appearance. She will assume that you are used to being with girls of her caliber and will become interested.

2. Don't leave right after getting her number. It conveys to her that you don't really know what to say and just wanted to get the fuck outta there. In other words, be comfortable and take your time. Suggest going somewhere with her (instant date), failing that you should get her number as a secondary option. Talk about what you're both doing later that day a little and tell her you'll call her later. This way you appear more comfortable and the interaction is more casual. "Gimme your number, k thanks bye" is some bad shit.

3. If she freaks out, it's a good thing. Trying to avoid causing offense is exactly what typical "nice guy" types do. I'm not saying to approach her and tell her you wanna fuck if she's down for it though... don't verbalise anything sexual, at least not so blatantly. Tell her she looks cool and that you bet you'd have a good time together. The hint is there but it's very subtle, and if she picks up on the fact that you might just want some fucky fucky then you are safe in the knowledge that it's on her mind aswell. Girls are not used to guys just approaching and being up front with them like this, and this will inevitably cause them to freak out a little even if she really likes you. This leads to one of the following situations:

a. She is genuinely pissed at you, storms off and you never see her again. As above, you don't win them all. Chill.

b. She is genuinely pissed at you, storms off and tells her friends, and they like the sound of you and tell her she should have gone for it. In the event that she sees you again, she will point you out and at least one of her friends will come to talk to you. She will most likely confront you about approaching her friend and pretend to be annoyed. Don't be scared! It's a shit test and you will end up sleeping with her.

c. She isn't pissed off, but is taken aback so pretends like she finds your approach inappropriate. It's a shit test and you will end up sleeping with her. To elaborate on this, and the above scenario, as long as you never try to defend your actions or make apologies you will come out on top. If you agree with her point of view she can't possibly say anything.

I have a good memory for conversations, so I'll give you a recent example of a direct approach. This was a girl looking at a window display out in the street. I stood beside her, looked in and waited for her to glance sideways. This isn't necessary by the way. Anyway, I looked her way and opened her. I've edited in poor responses to her reactions to demonstrate how easily some guys are defeated by shit tests, so you can see both sides of the coin.

Me: Hey, how you doing?
Her: Um... good, you?
Me: Me? I'm great! Well, now that we've gotten formalities out of the way, I was just thinking... you look pretty cool, so how should we go about getting together if I wanted to do that?
Her: You're kidding, aren't you?
[Poor responses: "What do you mean?" "Um... no"]
Me: Nope. I mean, I'm not really doing anything right now, and, if you're anything like the girls I know, you're only window shopping for a weekend outfit so I'm not really interrupting anything am I?
Her: Hmmm not right now, but I'm meeting my friend at 3 so I'm kinda just passing the time till she gets here.
[Poor response: "Oh, ok. Well, can I get your number?"]
Me: That's alright, I wouldn't want her to think she was interrupting us or anything... I was gonna take you for a coffee or something and have a chat but I guess we can do that some other time.
Her: Mmmm... maybe, I dunno. I don't really know you though.
[Poor response: anything which implies how cool or nice you are, or anything which is blatantly trying to change her mind]
Me: Well I dunno about you, but I like meeting new people, and I don't do maybes. Tell you what, I'll take your number and give you a call next time I'm in town and we can catch up how's that?
Her: Um, catch up on what?
Me: That depends, what are you doing after you meet your friend?
Her: Blah blah, shopping, blah blah friends later, blah blah... (you get the picture)
Me: Alright, then we can catch up on all of that stuff! And, I can tell you about my exciting day and it'll be a real fun time.
Her: Haha I suppose...

And it's all downhill from there. Strong frame biotch. She went on to say how she's usually busy and doesn't know if she'll be free, yada yada... so I set it for friday and got her to agree to that. She has the day off work so it's all good. Alright so that was one long ass post... any questions?

Nice post.

1. I shouldn't of said remove him, I was thiking more along the lines of befriending him. (I don't really like being a dick to AMOG's I've never been one for all out verbal confrontations with chicks around, it just removes the upbeat relaxed SPAM alot of the time.

2. He saw that I was popular with them and he acted like a dick he was trying to make up rules he turned o me at one point and said something about too many people in (their was 4 of us in total) he didn't follow through so it wasn't a problem. I just thought their was nothing much I could do so I leaned back and just nodded while staying positive.

I managed to get the chick back into the frame by turning to her friends with "name three things about yourself 1 makes you cool 1 makes you geeky and one makes you interesting." They giggled and the she came back into the set and I almost managed to get the AMOG in their and have some fun. This for me seems to be the only soloution I can concoct, bring ing attention back to the group and trying to get the AMOG to engage with the group socially (where things become a it more of a level playing field) or risk looking like an unsociable prick.

3. Thanks for clearing that up so it's generally suggested to keep in their and build some sort of rapport and show that you're a relaxed and socially lubricated guy.

Any other suggestions guys?

Cheers