I ask this for a few reasons. First off, I am a relatively smart person and I think that it is affecting my game. When a girl says a simple comment, I can't help but look at everything that person said and break it down; instead of just living in the moment. Another thing that seems logical, is in school the smart kids pay attention to the Teacher while the average students spend time flirting and/or getting into trouble (for the most part at least).

I feel like I have to shut down my brain to get in with girls. Its so freaking weird. But in doing that will I become a different person and less smart overall? Is that worth it?


Please answer. I have this weird feeling in my gut that most of the people that post here are brilliant in the IQ department, yet lack that one desireable thing most.....girls (well the Newbies at least). lol

Hell NO! The good thing about being smart is you can learn to adapt.
Its what smart people do right? "Learn"
It may be a subconcious excuse to not flirt with girls. Which is ok Ive had a lot of subconcious barriers.
Girls love smart guys ... they just dont like socially inapt people.

Also if you are lowering yourself for a girl that wouldnt be good ... unless youre doing the ole "tap'n'run" routine

When you talk about smart what do you mean ... book smart??

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Good Points! and yeah I was referring to book smart.

I do feel like I am learning, but pretty slowly at that (like 1 lesson at a time). I can now approach any women I see and talk with her for a good length of time, its just lately I have been falling under the friends category and its really upsetting me.

I took a real IQ test like a million billion years ago to gain entrance into a "gifted" educational program in middle school, and back then I scored a 130 IQ, which is 30 points above the average.

Intelligence can be beneficial to nurture creativity as a PUA. I guess it would make it easier to make your own routines and stuff, but there is a different kind of intelligence that is 100 times more important than the type of intelligence we're talking about. And that's called Emotional Intelligence.

Those guys in class that don't pay attention to the teacher, but spend their time flirting with girls are developing Emotional Intelligence. Those guys who spend their nights out at the club picking up chicks while sleeping through their morning classes are developing their Emotional Intelligence. I wouldn't recommend sacrificing your grades like that, since I had pretty shitty marks this past semester because I was that guy going to clubs and sleeping though classes lol.

Intelligent men usually forget about developing their Emotional Intelligence, though, and that's a pretty dumb mistake.

Now, what exactly is Emotional Intelligence? I believe it's the NUMBER 2 FACTOR that determines whether or not a PUA is going to get laid or not. The number 1 factor, I believe, is leading frame. Emotional Intelligence is that thing that gives you a FEELING of "I should do this if I want this" in response to specific cues around you. This feeling cannot be rationally thought out completely. It also gives you the FEELING of "this means this on an emotional level." Emotional Intelligence lets you FEEL the truth, whereas regular intelligence lets you KNOW the truth.

If you're a "smart" guy, I bet you might have some catching up to do in the Emotional Intelligence department. There's only one way to develop it: In-field experience. You can't develop this type of intelligence by reading about it in an ebook. That's one of the gajillion zillion reasons in-field experience is so important.

You could say intelligence is a matter that can be shaped in a cetrain direction. Put enough time and work in it, and your brain will grow to that direction,

The thing I have found with smarts/intelligence is not to make the girl feel stupid. As that will kill any chance you have with the girl.

being a good learner doesnt make you smart in general.
in school you have been kind of rewarded for being a follower: you pay attention and you get good grades.
this reward system actually fucks you up.
in the rest of life you are rewarded for being a leader: you earn the most money and get the most girls.
thats why "bad boys" earn more money and get hotter chicks, because they dont end up being somebody's mind slave.
you should read books about NLP, so you learn about frame control. and not only in theory, but really practice that.
the one who can control the frame of any conversation is the leader. you could even learn from others (from your teachers), while still having a stronger frame (teachers are not leaders). so you can even lead your teachers so to speak. then you'll look even more smart.
PUA & NLP is a very good combination to kick off.. especially if you start with that stuff young

dont you get it: you think you are so smart, but in fact, if you were really smart, you would have noticed that you are being brain washed to learn stupid facts of which 90% you will not be able to use in the rest of your life.
thus you are supplicating to the social system, you are just another brain washed beta male, instead of an alpha male that makes his own rules.

the really smart alpha male might get good grades, because chooses not to fight the whole system alone when he's young and just starting out. he just uses the system and "acts" along with it while he has to (acting like he thinks its important), but in fact he knows all along that its a bunch of bullshit, so his real values are never lowered. he uses it to learn, but he never supplicates to it.
he will not be the perfect student however, he will try to lead his class and even have power on teachers. he will practice control on others every day on small little things, because practice makes perfect >> so he's ready for the future when the small things become big things (money&power&girls).

get the best out of both worlds

Without sounding up myself, i am smart..... until i started secondry school, i was a loser (and under 11 being a loser is a hell of an achivement )

However, i didnt like that life... So, during the first 3 years of my secondry school, when most guys were learning about girls i though "ok, nothing i am doing here is going to make a shit of a difference in my life, lets get some *street smart*"

I think i have found the balence now, those 3 years were good, but i dont think it was the best thing to do. However, the last 2 years until now, i have (i think) found the balence.

Just as most people dont like the nerd, most people dont like that wanker who will never shut up and listen.... honestly, its about balence.
Learn when to switch off your brain!!! Seriously..... there are times you can go over an analyse EVERYTHING that happened, when u go home alone... and trust me, spend that time working out where u went wrong.
Just dont forget to become clever again when u need it, lessons, if ur in a relationship.
/madals

The only problem with being smart, is that your standards tend to be higher than the guys that aren't. It's really hard to settle for the hot drunk girl, if she's so drunk that she can't hold a conversation (probably couldn't before she got drunk anyways), but that doesn't mean you don't have a better ability to learn the skills to pick her up if you did want her.

Being smart will make you learn much faster, adapt quicker and overall you'll become better faster, if you commit yourself. As far as learning the skills, that's great, but as far as being content with the women you're gonna find, I find it a bit of a burden.

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well honestly, seeing this thread i actually took online IQ test that lasts 20 mins xD
i tryed some tests before but never had time to finish or was distrupted by a member of family...anyway, result was: Ur IQ is around 135, for more accurate results take the live test at our organisation bla bla...

anyway, i really think that has little to do with all this, its dedication and willingness to learn what matters here

Actually I JUST got done taking an online IQ test [www.tickle.com].

I got a 136. That's a little bit higher than most of the US's presidents.

I'm 17, going into my sixth semester at a community college this fall.

I think it helps me with my game, cause I can absorb information. I'm a kinetic learner, I learn by doing, but I absorb most info the first time through reading it.

For example, I don't take notes in all of my classes, because it distracts me from what the teacher is saying.

I got a B in a pharmacology class, without taking any notes. People think I'm crazy.


I can examine all of the possibilities of a given situation and determine the outcomes. I went from lots of AA to virtually none in less than a month, because I can see that there's no harm in introducing myself. I read personalities like nothing, because I'm great at recognizing patterns, etc.

I'm not an mPUA or anything, but I have a feeling I could be if I stick with my reading.

In short, it helps me a lot.

I don't know about other smart guys, but this certainly doesn't apply to me. I really don't give a fuck if the girl is in a drunken stupor (borderline coma still won't prevent from opening her - jk, that was just wrong); if she is hot, I am going to game her. Like the OP, being smart causes me to overanalyze insignificant details. BTW, I honestly don't know how "street smart" I am, but I am undoubtedly "book smart." I really don't try all that hard in school, but with my grades, SAT scores, and extracurricular activities, I will be applying to elite schools such as Dartmouth, Duke, Cornell, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, etc. Alright, I just came across as a conceited braggart. Sorry about that. The thing that I have noticed, though, is that stupid people tend to be ignorant. Thus, they are oblivious to their own flaws and they end up not being fazed by anything in life, due to the fact that they are unable to truly comprehend the meaning of failure.

I think being smart has nothing to do with picking up women, per se. Just don't come across as a total loser when you approach her. What I mean is, if you are trying to get someone and they clearly are not interested in talking about physics, don't talk about physics. You're smart, use those smarts to your advantage.

Do dumb guys hook up more? Hell if I know. But I do know that women don't want a total dumbass. At the same time, when they are out having fun, they don't want to be analyzed.

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i just scored 135 on the above mentioned IQ test, and here is my opinion.

I think that somebody of lesser intelligence will taper off in their personality and social development. These see more success in the earlier parts of their life.

I think that more intelligent human beings are more willing to improve themselves, pick up on patterns easier, and overall should develop a more in-depth personality IF THEY HAVE THE DESIRE TO. I think these people would need to develop their social value and such later in life, but they would also develop it quicker if they take the actions necessary to do so, because they learn faster and more easily.